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  1. Wow, very interesting feedback, thanks. So many...

    Wow, very interesting feedback, thanks. So many errors! Even with my special reference sheets it's hard to keep track of everything when you don't play regularly. The way special abilities interact...
  2. 68 views here and not a single comment! Any...

    68 views here and not a single comment! Any thoughts? Feel free to correct any rules mistakes! :)
  3. New Battle Report from the Esoteric Order of Gamers

    A Nasier vs Shael Han skirmish. Enjoy!

    https://www.orderofgamers.com/wrath-of-kings-battle-report-4/
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    Apologies, neglected to update the link - fixed...

    Apologies, neglected to update the link - fixed now.
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    Rules summary and reference updated

    Hi all

    The Esoteric Order of Gamers Wrath of Kings rules summary and reference has ben updated to v2.2. There was an error in the description of the Sever the Head motivation.
    ...
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    Cheers mate, appreciate it.

    Cheers mate, appreciate it.
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    PS Again, really great work and a very handy...

    PS Again, really great work and a very handy site.

    PPS Feel free to add my battle report videos!
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    Looks great! Really good to have all that info in...

    Looks great! Really good to have all that info in one place. Though can you do me a favour please - when linking to my rules summary, please link to the Wrath of Kings page on my website...
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    How about updating the website?

    Now's there's been a little bit of promotion on sites like Beasts of War, it would be great to see this official site updated. The factions pages would really benefit from pictures of painted models...
  10. Thanks, but it doesn't seem to update the overall...

    Thanks, but it doesn't seem to update the overall thread title.
  11. Where do I get the new model releases?

    Miniature Market is out of stock, no one else seems to have them - is buying direct from CMON the only way to actually buy the new models?

    (Sorry for the rushed typing on the thread title - can I...
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    Yes, I was disappointed with the paywall for that...

    Yes, I was disappointed with the paywall for that too.

    But it was very refreshing indeed to finally see some WoK promotion and discussion. Good one. Much more needs to be done!
  13. Excellent tips. Yeah, we certainly made some...

    Excellent tips. Yeah, we certainly made some newbie mistakes!
  14. Thanks for the feedback Maverick. Yes, as Nasier...

    Thanks for the feedback Maverick. Yes, as Nasier I was playing into Teknes hands, mostly because I had to get to grips with him, and he kept pulling back because he wanted to engage me in his...
  15. For those of you interested in actually seeing...

    For those of you interested in actually seeing the battle that made me start this thread, check out this two-part video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24C1oXxI3zk...
  16. Finally got the book and cards after months of...

    Finally got the book and cards after months of waiting.

    The reason I pre-ordered in this case was to get the premium cards (which ended up being very slightly textured, that's all); I don't...
  17. No more pre-ordering for me, that's for sure! ;)

    No more pre-ordering for me, that's for sure! ;)
  18. Latest reply from MM: It looks as though CMON...

    Latest reply from MM:

    It looks as though CMON had a specific release date for the items that they didn't adhere to They send us the cards. Now that we have them, we are working on getting the...
  19. MM: "the cards however, are still a preorder item...

    MM: "the cards however, are still a preorder item because we have never received them and neither has our distributor."

    No one appears interested in tracking down the problem - I have "it's not my...
  20. MM have twice now told me their distributor never...

    MM have twice now told me their distributor never received the cards. I don't know who's at fault here, but why not get the sales department to check with them? MM is a big online game presence and...
  21. Where are Rising Conflicts and the new cards?

    There was a recent thread where I detailed my attempts to get Rising Conflicts and the new unit cards. It seems to have gone dead, with no reply from CMON despite a promise that someone would look...
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    I'm very disappointed at the silence from CMON in...

    I'm very disappointed at the silence from CMON in this issue. I know everyone there's busy with the company going public, but there was a promise to look into this and nothing has happened.
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    CMON, we need some information now please!

    CMON, we need some information now please!
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    No worries. I was just pointing outo CMON that I...

    No worries. I was just pointing outo CMON that I have no other options except large online US retailers like MM. And even they can't get it.
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    I can’t buy from my local FLGS - I don’t have...

    I can’t buy from my local FLGS - I don’t have one. In fact there isn’t really a decent one in the whole of New Zealand!

    Dave, John, Mr Black - can someone please tell us what's going on? Why does...
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    Oh of course, the new cards will be in the new...

    Oh of course, the new cards will be in the new unit boxes, won't they?

    Though I thought this first release of the new card set was better quality printing or something ...
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    Here's the latest info from Miniature Market: ...

    Here's the latest info from Miniature Market:

    We order from a certain distributor, not CMON games. The book has been released, and while we are out of stock, your copy is here and on hold for you....
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    Thankyou Dave. I pre-ordered as soon as MM had...

    Thankyou Dave. I pre-ordered as soon as MM had them listed, so I didn't miss out on any initial stock run or anything.
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    Upon further query, they said: As of now, our...

    Upon further query, they said:

    As of now, our suppliers are saying that they have not received the product.

    Can someone at CMON please tell me if the Rising Conflicts book and new cards have...
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    This is the reply from Miniature Market when I...

    This is the reply from Miniature Market when I asked where my preordered book and cards were:

    They haven't given any exact release date info for the item, but we're hoping to have it available in...
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    http://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=wra...

    http://www.miniaturemarket.com/searchresults?q=wrath+of+kings

    Have MM just decided not to stock any more WoK?
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    Dave, thanks for answering, but it's a cruel...

    Dave, thanks for answering, but it's a cruel truth that - gasp - customers don't care about the whys and wherefores. They just want the product that was announced some six months ago. If CMON can't...
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    Prestock - what about first stock? I preordered...

    Prestock - what about first stock? I preordered from Miniature Market months ago and nothing. What's happening?
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    Yep, of course – whose. So it’s an abomination of...

    Yep, of course – whose. So it’s an abomination of a sentence in every way, basically! :)
  35. Sorry, forgot about the time limit in the...

    Sorry, forgot about the time limit in the tournament rules.

    I guess it really is about weathering the storm, either with your whole unit or several members, though I do miss the catharsis and the...
  36. Thanks m0n5t3r0u5, this is all very interesting....

    Thanks m0n5t3r0u5, this is all very interesting. We must be approaching this Mexican Standoff issue in the wrong way. Perhaps it's because when I combined activate a unit for a few turns I kind of...
  37. My apologies, I just mentioned that so people...

    My apologies, I just mentioned that so people wouldn't assume I was a complete noob.

    I think it's the motivations objectives that, in a battle game, mean you add 5 tokens to several models that...
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    Cheers mate.

    Cheers mate.
  39. You know, it may be that my whole problem is that...

    You know, it may be that my whole problem is that I play too casually and occasionally, and the rules aren't geared for that kind of approach.
  40. So, what do you do when player A chooses, then...

    So, what do you do when player A chooses, then player B chooses, then player A changes his choice because of player B's choice, then player B changes his choice ... etc?
  41. Many thanks for your work on this EvilDave!

    Many thanks for your work on this EvilDave!
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    And an end, it seems! :)

    And an end, it seems! :)
  43. I haven't given up on it, but when the system...

    I haven't given up on it, but when the system allows you to choose two motivations that lead to a crap game, the system needs work. I agree that Capture Prisoner seems too easy, I wonder what the...
  44. I don't really understand why it's necessary to...

    I don't really understand why it's necessary to compare to other miniatures games, when I'm talking about WoK. It may have less tokens than Warmachine (I can't remember, I haven't played it for many...
  45. paradox1 We're playing battle size games. I find...

    paradox1 We're playing battle size games. I find that there are a lot of markers all over the place, and when lareg units are engaged, there's a lot of clutter.

    EvilDave No time limit, no; we're...
  46. Hi A lot of the motivations involve a marker...

    Hi

    A lot of the motivations involve a marker pool placed on minis of up to twice your ranks of leaders. Then there are wound tokens. And activation tokens. I've found that together, there are...
  47. An unsatisfying WoK game - what did I do wrong?

    I don't want to be negative about WoK. I've invested quite a bit of money and hundreds of hours into the game and would love it to be my miniatures game of choice. But I keep having somewhat...
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    Ah-ha! The tiny 'Search Forum' text! thankyou....

    Ah-ha! The tiny 'Search Forum' text! thankyou. The big Search field above it in the navigation bar was driving me batty.
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    Searching this forum

    How do I search just the Wrath of Kings forum???
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    A good start!

    A good start!
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    Sample armies

    Has anyone whipped up some sample army lists on this forum? I know they don't take too long to do, but it would be handy if there was a bunch of them to check out.
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    Mr Black, good to see you're always here with an...

    Mr Black, good to see you're always here with an answer! Thankyou. :)

    I'm getting in some games this weekend, so I'll try to film another battle report or two for the Esoteric Order of Gamers. :)
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    Table size?

    So what table size are you all mostly using for your WoK games? 4x4' or 6x4'?
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    I shouldn't worry about it at all, because this...

    I shouldn't worry about it at all, because this is a casual online forum, not a published book of rules that I'm expecting people to pay for. <teasing>In Australian English, a comment like yours...
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    Errors in the new rules PDF

    C'mon :) guys, better proofreading please, this is v2!

    p10, Inspire Abilities: 'Inspire abilities are powerful ffects'

    p10, Inspire Abilities (twice): 'who’s SOI they are activating off of,'...
  56. All good points, and I really appreciate your...

    All good points, and I really appreciate your feedback. I'm not a Warhammer player (I've played AT-43, Confrontation, Warmachine, Dust Battlefield etc), but you're right in that I probably need more...
  57. Thanks Mr Black, some good solid alternatives...

    Thanks Mr Black, some good solid alternatives there that are definitely worth exploring. While I'm not 100% crazy about the preciseness of the procedure (it would be nice to have some option for...
  58. Hi mate! I was going to post this on the EOG but...

    Hi mate! I was going to post this on the EOG but thought I might get more feedback here.

    Example:

    Two units (A and B) facing each other, both with MV5. Unit A uses its move action to move up so...
  59. Unless of course the rest of the army is busy...

    Unless of course the rest of the army is busy with their own issues. :)
  60. For example, some good scenario ideas here (see...

    For example, some good scenario ideas here (see especially the General's Compendium):

    http://whfbnarratives.blogspot.co.nz/p/list-of-official-gw-released-scenario.html
  61. I understand what you mean Mr. Black (and many...

    I understand what you mean Mr. Black (and many thanks for weighing in), and I can see it's a trade-off. Still, when these particular situations come up (and they came up several times in our last two...
  62. PS I like that gaming mat, where'd you get it?

    PS I like that gaming mat, where'd you get it?
  63. Well, yeah, but I've had a situation where half...

    Well, yeah, but I've had a situation where half of my 6 man unit got wiped out before I had a chance to fight back. The point of a charging mechanic is to reward units that have the guts to charge...
  64. Two units with the same speed - Union Workers and...

    Two units with the same speed - Union Workers and Deepmen Guardians. But the situation could apply to any two units facing off that have the same speed, or similar speeds.



    It wasn't that they...
  65. Most tabletop games have a charge mechanic that...

    Most tabletop games have a charge mechanic that allows units to charge into combat at a greater speed than normal. In WoK, if you have two units with a speed of 5 coming to meet (and you can...
  66. Questions about charging, motivations and morale

    Got a couple of games in over the weekend, Hadros vs Teknes. They were slightly disappointing, and I'd like to ask if anyone else is having a problem with a few things in the game.

    One is...
  67. Fair 'nuff!

    Fair 'nuff!
  68. I don't mean to sound picky, but it's still not...

    I don't mean to sound picky, but it's still not immediately obvious. While the rule about sharing traits is there, it's not immediately obvious that specialists don't count without looking at the...
  69. Thanks for that. Though can I suggest it might be...

    Thanks for that. Though can I suggest it might be good to point this out a bit more explicitly in the next iteration of the rules. :)
  70. Can Specialists be activated by a combined activation?

    Subject says it all - can you activate specialists with a combined activation? It's not specifically stated that you can't, though the definition of specialist is that they operate independently.
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    It's a funny, fiddly kind of mechanic to build an...

    It's a funny, fiddly kind of mechanic to build an army around; I wonder if the playtesters had difficulty with these extra markers all over the place? I'll give it some thought too and see if I can...
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    Marking Hadross resonate effect

    I'm about to paint up my Hadross and bring them to the field, but I'm wondering if anyone has some good ideas for marking the resonate effect on target models. I'm a bit worried that there's going to...
  73. Battle Report Videos, Rules Summary, Painted Figure Showcases

    In case you missed them, the Esoteric Order of Gamers has filmed two Wrath of Kings battle report videos which you may find entertaining. The second one was even filmed outside in a special location!...
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    Glad I'm not the only one who was confused by...

    Glad I'm not the only one who was confused by that!
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    It seems clear now, but if you read that...

    It seems clear now, but if you read that sentence, it could easily be interpreted as "once per turn, if this model makes and passes a Will check, this effect happens". I only point out because there...
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    Thanks for that. That's really confusingly...

    Thanks for that. That's really confusingly worded. It should be something like "should this model pass a Will check".
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    Unmasked inspire ability

    Just checking about the wording on this, and I think it applies to some other figure abilities as well:

    "Once per turn, if this model passes a Will check, all enemies in contact suffer a [1] dice...
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    From a look at just Hadross and Goritsi, I've...

    From a look at just Hadross and Goritsi, I've discovered 4 errors that aren't mentioned in the FAQ. I know cards take precedence, but perhaps a list of errors is useful when CMON do a second printing...
  79. The Blood Engine - Devour Whole attack is called...

    The Blood Engine - Devour Whole attack is called Crushing Blow in the book.
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    Book errors

    I'm discovering a lot of errors in the book. Is it worth listing these as I find them or are they being compiled elsewhere?
  81. The listing for The Dragonslayer in the book is...

    The listing for The Dragonslayer in the book is missing Ambush.
  82. And another - Deepmen Kaxes are missing 'Strong...

    And another - Deepmen Kaxes are missing 'Strong Will' in the book.
  83. Gar the gladiator - leader or specialist

    Another one for the book errata - Gar the Gladiator (Hadross) is listed as a Specialist, but he's actually a Leader.
  84. Sounds like it could have benefited from another...

    Sounds like it could have benefited from another proofreading pass. These errors should be highlighted in the FAQ however.
  85. Ahh, it's an error in the book that hasn't been...

    Ahh, it's an error in the book that hasn't been picked up in the FAQ. Deepmen Kaxes in the book says, under Sword Slice, "Sundering (1): Models targeted by this attack gain Resonate. This is done...
  86. Same ability name, different effects

    Something I don't understand about WoK is why the same ability name is used for different effects. For example, the Deepmen Kaxes 'Sundering' is completely different from the Shield Breakers...
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    Follow that link and you'll find full...

    Follow that link and you'll find full instructions Astinoff!
  88. support@cmon.com. Still waiting on the quote. I'm...

    support@cmon.com. Still waiting on the quote. I'm in New Zealand, so shipping for me will be high, as usual.
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    Ahh, thanks. Saved me from reading that again,...

    Ahh, thanks. Saved me from reading that again, I'd forgotten. No metallic paints then!
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    Hadross armour?

    I'm about to start painting the Hadross, and I was ruminating on the armour and weapons they're carrying. Are these metal? Given the unsuitabiity of metal for fighting underwater, do they only don...
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    I put a couple of small rare earth magnets in the...

    I put a couple of small rare earth magnets in the 'well' of the base before I fill it, then I store the models in a metal toolkit. Be carefuly you don't make the magnets too large and find figures...
  92. Just a follow-up, I contacted CMON support and I...

    Just a follow-up, I contacted CMON support and I can buy the individual figures from them. Obsessive completist achievement unlocked. :)
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    Thanks! Yes, I'm a big fan of Confrontation and...

    Thanks! Yes, I'm a big fan of Confrontation and have several armies. I do like the fast and easy WoK rules though.
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    Whoops! Let me know if there were any other...

    Whoops! Let me know if there were any other errors - it was only our second game.
  95. I appreciate your responses folks and don't...

    I appreciate your responses folks and don't worry, I'm not losing sleep over it. I just think it's a poor business decision to inconvenience people who want to buy your product. Buying 5 character...
  96. This is ridiculous. come on CMON. These figures...

    This is ridiculous. come on CMON. These figures aren’t cheap, I'm gong to end up with 10 extra figures I don't want, and I'll just end up not buying them at all. Stupid marketing decision.
  97. If I'd known I wouldn't be able to buy them...

    If I'd known I wouldn't be able to buy them separately I would have. But now CMON is putting a roadblock between themselves and paying customers - I'm sure I'm not the only person in the same...
  98. How do KS backers get our third rank 2 characters?

    I supported the Kickstarter campaign at the Ancient King level and bought the monsters as an add-on, but at the time I didn't buy into the add-on for the third rank 2 characters. Now they've gone to...
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    Wrath of Kings Battle Report Videos

    The Esoteric Order of Gamers (http://www.orderofgamers.com) has just posted a two part battle report video of a skirmish game between the Nasier and the Goritsi.

    You can view the videos directly...
  100. I haven't played Dark Age, but I didn't realise...

    I haven't played Dark Age, but I didn't realise there were new Hell Dorado cards. I'll check them out. Anything would be better than the white 3 point text with a black border that someone thought...
  101. Hi Xavarir Unfortunately, what I always end up...

    Hi Xavarir

    Unfortunately, what I always end up doing is redesigning all the cards (I'm a graphic designer - universalhead.com) which takes me many, many hours. I've done that for Confrontation,...
  102. I don't have the icons, though I could have made...

    I don't have the icons, though I could have made them, but this is just a rough, quick sample suggestion using one placeholder icon to get my message across. Since we know nothing about how their...
  103. Actually I've never felt the need to redesign the...

    Actually I've never felt the need to redesign the Warmachine cards for my own use (I've redone the AT43 and Confrontation ones), because they're pretty clear. On the WM cards, the ability information...
  104. Thanks for input MAXXxxx, but I have to be honest...

    Thanks for input MAXXxxx, but I have to be honest and say I don't agree with you on the two points you raise, and for the same reason. These are reference cards, and their main purpose is to be a...
  105. Suggestions for the Unit Cards Design and Text

    I've posted all this on the Kickstarter updates, but I thought I'd post here to see If I can spark some discussion, and hopefully some positive change (in my opinion).

    Firstly, I'm really looking...
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