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    Hello, I was just wondering what might happen if i made a little poll as to whether or not people enjoy seeing the T&A models on the front page.

    I have nothing against them personally but i find they get in the way more than they provide entertainment. I go to an art school majoring in toy design and ive had a number of occasions were fellow students or a professor will be talking with me and i mention some of the fantastic work being done within this hobby niche of miniature painting. 90% Percent of the time when i mention miniature painting people, even toy designers and model makers, have no clue this hobby exists, and so often times i use CMON to locate some the best work being done. But invariably i go to pull up the CMON page and there is some titty model on the front page with her ass hanging out, or worse yet totally nude in some suggestive pose, and it really degrades the integrity of, not only the site, but this hobby all together. Because of the nature of this hobby are are already at the risk of appearing to be grown men and women playing about with little toy soldiers. So do we also have to send out the signal via the front page of the largest miniature site on the web, that we are not only grown men playing with toys, but that those toys happen to have their naughty bits exposed for our entertainment?

    I know these sorts of front page displays can be a hinderance to our younger members as well. Think about it, your a young kid looking around for a cool site to give you advice on how to start getting into this hobby, and you find CMON. Well first off, great you found the best resource out there, but secondly, you got to be careful because if either mom or dad sees you pull up the CMON front page and sees naked asses and tits, you know your gonna catch hell.

    I dont know, maybe Im making a little issue a big deal, so lets let the polls decide...
    How many of you think that while there is a place for these kinds of miniatures, maybe its not the front page?

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    Seems that the bar as to what\'s publicly appropriate just keeps edging down in little notches. Modesty is now viewed with scorn - backwards/old fashioned/repressive......to me, modesty is setting a higher value on YOURSELF and others. As I\'m writing this, I realize I could use to tidy my own life a bit.

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    It does make my toes curl if I want to cruise the site at work, I have to say. They already think I\'m weird, I don\'t need them to think I\'m into little metal ladies!

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    I\'m the first one to go buy the nakid chickies and have tons of them waiting to be painted but I do have issues pulling up the site at work sometimes. I get off the main page asap and into the forums (the evil boss is gone so I can look at the internet at work now.)

    At home, who cares. And I show the site in all it\'s glory to anyone who asks what I do. I\'m not shy by any means and naked women have been part of art for as long as man could draw. But my job does frown on it and they do moniter the screens from time to time.

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    I don\'t think it degrades the integrity of the hobby. There\'s been a long tradition of semi naked females (and males) in fantasy and science fiction art, not to mention in \"high art\". You could argue that as the vast majority of the minis in the hobby are armed that it glorifies violence, but I don\'t think that really the case either.

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    When I\'m in the living room, I\'m always scared what my parents are going to say if there is a naked mini on the homepage. But thankfully they trust me enough when I tell them I\'m on a mini website that just so happens to have a naked mini advertisement on its homepage. It would be nice to have them removed though, as I\'ll be be able to come on CMON from a school computer without the risk of a teacher cropping up behind me and saying: \"What are you doing young man?\" lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

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    I\'m certainly not offended by it, but it does nothing for me. I have yet to purchase any kind of scantily clad model. I\'m a gamer/painter though, so most of the extreme examples don\'t really fall into my personal buying demographic.

    But if I could sneak some dwarf \"jugs\" into my army.... you BETCHA!

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    iman adolescent boy. what do you expect?lol on a serious note, i dont think it degrads the hobyy, and because they depicts naked women they cn be seen as pornography, but i dont think they are. if people see minis like that as major turn ons, then i think they may e a minority. hwowver, the onewith the hammer on the top 10 recently freaks me out no end:o

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    Originally posted by Roger Bunting
    I don\'t think it degrades the integrity of the hobby. There\'s been a long tradition of semi naked females (and males) in fantasy and science fiction art, not to mention in \"high art\". You could argue that as the vast majority of the minis in the hobby are armed that it glorifies violence, but I don\'t think that really the case either.
    Right, but you have to admit there is a difference between a 6 foot tall marble sculpture of a nude, and a 28mm pewter titty model. Maybe within the fine painting community there is not, but to the general public (the people who are most likely to see the front page and respond negatively. ) a little pewter naked chick is a lewd little novelty, and promptly gets grouped in the category with henti and others forms of off beat porn.
    I think you would have to show off one of the finest examples of a nude model and show the price it sold for before anyone of the general public would admit that nude models are just as respectable as a marble statue of a nude.

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    i reckon that maybe thefront page should be abit controlled, cos as said when a member of the non mini painting community sees a nude model: they think\" my god, not only do thesespeople play with toy soldiers, but they oggle naked metal in their spare time\" which is really the wrong idea. note: i am not slagging of modelslike this, the new natalia for instance is a great and very talented sculpt

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    T&A on the front page?? I must of missed that..


    Oh yeah I pay a dollar a month not to see it..

    see easy fix!

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    Not those Ts&As, the sculpted ones in the News column.

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    I agree totally with you Tagron.

    I think that occasionally some brief, tasteful nudity might be ok, but fully nude figures in erotic poses are something that should not be here. (This coming also from an art student, after taking many nude-drawing sessions. Nudity has it\'s place, and a family friendly hobby is not one of them).

    An idea for the nudity on the front page. I post my art on DeviantART, and there are many users who post art depicting nude figures (nude photography and hentai are the main ones). The website has the option to filter out anything with the \"mature\" tag on it. If you are not logged in, you will not see nudity. If you are logged in and turn the filter on, you will not see nudity. I think this is the best way to handle it.

    -Matt

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    I was thinking of suggesting black bars, but mattsterbenz\'s suggestion is much neater. And less sleazy-looking, too. ;)

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    I thought of this yesterday as I was sitting in the law library and pulled up the site and low and behold, there\'s a fine example of the female gender there staring me in the face. I got some puzzled looks from my friends and my soon-be-fiance gave me a quizical look.

    Normally I wouldn\'t care too much because it\'s just me on \"the mini site\", but it kind of catches you offguard when you\'re at work or in a classroom environment.

    I know many ages of people use this site and I think the last thing we need is to have an angry parent on our case about the content of the first page. It\'s a great model (artistically and from me as a guy), but it\'d be nice if we could have a filter like Matt said so there wouldn\'t be any \"Oh, hey there boss I didn\'t see you right behind me....\" moments.

    Good topic Tagron and thanks for bringing it up:)

    Jake

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    I suppose as I don\'t go internet surfing at a place of work or school then I\'m only really looking at it from the point of view as I see it, at home on my own computer.

    Matt\'s solution would certainly solve the issue, allowing both those that would like to see or don\'t mind, and those who could do with a bit more modesty, to have it their way.

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    I think the filter would be a good option - as it would be available for those who wanted it.
    I imagine there are people who paint nudes who may feel this will affect their scores.
    I don\'t want to look any weirder at work in my lunch hour either.

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    Ok Tagron poses a very good and interesting debate here, so let me chime in with my personal opinions (I might waffle here a bit so bear with me) and a potential solution for people who want to use the site to show others, but without the embarrassment of being thought a Pervert.

    Personal opinion on nudity, no problem with it. (Hey it\'s not like we get born fully clothed).
    Human anatomy is natural in all it\'s shapes, convex or concave, and doesn\'t bother me. I\'ve appreciated the architecture of the Female Form for four plus decades and as a painter found that the Male Form isn\'t that bad in some cases either. (I\'ll exclude mine on that one though). I can\'t however understand the \"Hyppo-Christian\" out look that the nude figure is wrong, as Judeo-Christian teachings say that humans are made in Gods\' image. That just doesn\'t make sense to me.

    What I don\'t like is pornography, I see no need to publicise and denegrate what is (and should be) an intimate, caring, loving and sharing act between two (or more) people. (and yes I do believe that gender doesn\'t matter). To me pornography belittles people into nothing more than objects, something to be used without concern or respect.

    Now as regards the ads on the front page, I rarely get them as I tend to remain \"Logged in\" on my primary machines. However I can understand where your concerns are coming from, utilising sexual content to sell a product is demeaning, and tends to put me off buying it. Adverts for Sex/Dating don\'t interest me and to be perfectly honest I see no need for. The advertising adverts are sold on here through third party and yes we have had issues with \"unseemly\" adverts appearing, these were dealt with.

    Now to address an issue that the younger members have raised, Technically the site has a provsio that you have to be over 18 to use it.
    Now it would be hippocritical of me to say if your are not 18 you have no right to complain as we do not police the \"Age limit\", but the vast majority of people on here (ie the forums) treat everyone as adults, with adult responsibilities and discernment
    Now that doesn\'t mean that if you are below 18 you have to go, far from it. You may however, want to consider that others may not have the same level of discernment and choose cautiously when and from where you view the site. (That applies to averyone as well)

    There is a solution to showing off examples of work, yours or anyone elses.
    Instead of going to the home page set your browser to :

    http://www.coolminiornot.com/browse

    Which will take you to the galleries rather than the front page. Doesn\'t stop the ads but it reduces the impact.
    You can do the same by targeting a specific painter like so:

    http://www.coolminiornot.com/artist/Dragonsreach

    Any excuse to pimp.

    If you\'ve made it this far thanks for reading and putting up with a lengthy post, I did warn you that I may waffle on.

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    Originally posted by Dragonsreach

    Personal opinion on nudity, no problem with it. (Hey it\'s not like we get born fully clothed).
    Human anatomy is natural in all it\'s shapes, convex or concave, and doesn\'t bother me. I\'ve appreciated the architecture of the Female Form for four plus decades and as a painter found that the Male Form isn\'t that bad in some cases either. (I\'ll exclude mine on that one though). I can\'t however understand the \"Hyppo-Christian\" out look that the nude figure is wrong, as Judeo-Christian teachings say that humans are made in Gods\' image. That just doesn\'t make sense to me.
    I\'ll respectfully disagree with you here, to an extent. While I am personally comfortable seeing nudes (heck, I even drew four different nude models in person), not everyone is. And aside from me being able to respect art, this is a family-friendly / kid-friendly hobby, and (in my opinion) is not the place for it.

    Also, religious people do have the right to their beliefs on nudity, just as much as you or I to our beliefs, regardless of whether or not we understand it.

    What I don\'t like is pornography, I see no need to publicise and denegrate what is (and should be) an intimate, caring, loving and sharing act between two (or more) people. (and yes I do believe that gender doesn\'t matter). To me pornography belittles people into nothing more than objects, something to be used without concern or respect.
    Couldn\'t have been said better (though I disagree about the same-sex statement, but I don\'t want to hijack the thread). There was a Hasslefree mini I remember of some erotic bondage type (nude male and nude female), I consider that pornography, and other miniatures in similar situations/poses.

    Now to address an issue that the younger members have raised, Technically the site has a provsio that you have to be over 18 to use it.
    Now it would be hippocritical of me to say if your are not 18 you have no right to complain as we do not police the \"Age limit\", but the vast majority of people on here (ie the forums) treat everyone as adults, with adult responsibilities and discernment
    Now that doesn\'t mean that if you are below 18 you have to go, far from it. You may however, want to consider that others may not have the same level of discernment and choose cautiously when and from where you view the site. (That applies to averyone as well)
    Yes this is true about underage users, but what about the people over 18 who do not wish to see nudity? Just because someone is an adult should not force them to view material that they deem inappropriate or offensive.

    There is a solution to showing off examples of work, yours or anyone elses.
    Instead of going to the home page set your browser to :

    http://www.coolminiornot.com/browse

    Which will take you to the galleries rather than the front page. Doesn\'t stop the ads but it reduces the impact.
    You can do the same by targeting a specific painter like so:

    http://www.coolminiornot.com/artist/Dragonsreach

    Any excuse to pimp.
    It\'s a solution to the ads, sure, but this does not solve the issue of people encountering nudity in the gallery.

    Now, as I said in the first paragraph of this reply, everyone should be entitled to his/her own beliefs and opinions. Some people find nude miniatures completely acceptable, and some don\'t. That\'s why I\'d propose some sort of filter, that way everyone wins. When a user submits a miniature, they check a box thus labeling the entry as \"mature content\" (or a moderator does if the user forgets). \"Mature Content\" could even reflect extreme gore, or other subjects that some people might find offensive, rather than just nudity.

    There :) Long post to read, even longer reply to type up! lol

    -Matt

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    on our profile settings, are we not able to turn off adverts etc. I dont seem to get any T&A at home or work after ticking the appropriate boxes???

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