I'd point out that the FRAG-12, the pentagon Future Soldier program and especially the TASER are taken directly from Sci-Fi.Originally Posted by Torn blue sky
Question for the geek minded (or wiki-accessible) : What is "TASER" an abreviation for?
I'd point out that the FRAG-12, the pentagon Future Soldier program and especially the TASER are taken directly from Sci-Fi.
Question for the geek minded (or wiki-accessible) : What is "TASER" an abreviation for?
This is just asking for trouble lol!
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None, bones don't rot that fast (if at all)
And servitors aren't dead...
not bodily anyway, if I'm correct, Servitors were ones humans, who've had their brains pretty much replaced by a computer.
this means they have no thoughts for themselves, and do not get bored or fatigued.
almost all servitors have further mecainical, technological and/or biological implants and modifications to make them more effective at their alotted task.
The bodies are kept alive by a combination of original organs and bionic replacements.
And are fed a protein gruel each day to provide fuel (food)
I seem to recall that servitors don't need sleep either... glanded stimulants?? "sleep-mode"??
I know there's a poster showing a cut-out of a land-raider, with every part showing and numbered, but I can't find it anywhere, not even on the BL website...
I've always figured this little toy to be the closest thing to a real-life bolter:
Originally Posted by Master of fact
The humble boltgun is a good example of looks over fluff. Each "bolt" is a caseless self propellent projectile. Why is there a lot of eject casings flying about hmmmmmmmmmmm!!
I'll answer this one with the FRAG-12, which is (to all intents and purposes) the same design as a bolt from a bolt gun.
A self propelled munition like the FRAG-12 (without casing), Gyrojet, or Bolt does not have killing velocity when it reaches the end of the barrel, or indeed for several feet afterwords. The original Gyrojet munitions could be stopped by holding your finger against the end of the barrel. The initial boost that allows it to having killing potential at close range is provided by a normal charge, like a shotgun cartridge as shown above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
The AA-12 assault shotgun
It can even use the FRAG-12 munitions (about 4:00 minutes into the clip)
That 40mm grenade MG would make a pretty cool heavy bolter...
I know for a fact, from novels that chainswords do break down and/or run out of fuel.
for example the chain sword looks like a mean bit of kit, however its a mechanical device and as such prone to breakdowns, failures and power loss my SPOT/catch is rather than having the weapon as just a chain sword why didnt the designers make the back edge a sword BLADE rather than a metal cover it seems to me it wouldnt have been to difficult to do and should there be a breakage/mechanical failure then you would be left with more than just a club to bludgeon your enemy with
Generally I would assume that the chain is continuous through both the front and back side of the chain blade, with the back end covered to prevent killing yourself when it inevitably bounces off of something (ala Dawn of the Dead). Cutting the chain in half to include a blade on the back would require a secondary motor at the top for the chain to oscillate properly, and still have the same problem as not having that cover on the back (ie. killing yourself when the blade bounces).
My biggest issue is that the chain sword would inevitably foul up quickly when fighting unarmored men because chainsaws tend to get soft moist tissue stuck in their teeth which clogs the mechanical mechanisms (like when cutting down sapplings, or running it through the dirt).
I can remember several mentions of space marines having to fall back to fists and combatknifes (and anything else they get there hands on)
which brings us to fuel, how much fuel can u pack into a chainsword?
well, lets assume fuel technologies have progressed in the coming 40K years, these days, a flamethrower needs an entire backpack with several liters of fuel to be effective on the battlefield. SM flamers use promethium (if i'm correct) and only need a o,33 liter fuel cel.
so lets assume a small motor is'nt a problem, just wondering how long a fuel cel on a chainsword would last, and if it would be replacable on the battlefield.
another question... if you'd use a (liquid) fuel cel, you'd effectivly be running around the battlefield beating peoples brains out with a molotov-cocktail...
Ofcourse, you could use an electric motor and use a power cel similar to a lasgun... but then it would'nt make that great roaring engine sound
If I'm correct, the Primer states that you can recharge a lasbattery by exposing it (or just the bottom) to a heatsource. In emergency, throwing it in a fire will do the trick, but severely decreases the lifspan and reliability of the battry.
Iv thought of another, i read somewhere that you can recharge a las gun pack by chucking it into a fire? I threw a car battery into a fire when i was a kid. The result was interesting.
Supposedly their built for that (which is why they issue lasguns and not extra-expensive cased munitions to everyone). The chemical* mixture inside is supposed to be able to absorb energy through thermal or solar sources (the later through a tiny solar panel at the top). Though both the uplifting primer, and the 3rd ed codex where it first appeared suggest that it leads to the charger quickly degrading.
it's also possible to set a lasgun-battry to explode. I can't remember if the primer says so too, or if it's just in Dan Abnett's Ghostmaker...
I'm sure I cab come up with a couple more questions, but not right now.
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sure he got it from an orc... but how the hell can he stay upright with that thing? lol (yarricks claw)
Because if the ladies are right, he's a bit of a tripod.
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mourner i have to say a most excellent executive summary most impressive.
LAAARRFF, I SPLIT MY SIDES!!
cassar [demigod] |ˈdemēˌgäd|
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a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
• a person who is greatly admired or feared.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: translating Latin semideus .
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true he doesnt have power armour stabalising him. more rope i say! more!
tbs i may have identified a flaw in you theory, what sort of perv goes into battle with a stiffy and just how much viagra would you need?
cassar [demigod] |ˈdemēˌgäd|
noun ( fem. demigoddess |ˈdemēˌgädis| )
a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
• a person who is greatly admired or feared.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: translating Latin semideus .
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especially concidering how old that guy is... its any wonder he can wander the battlefield at all..... ASSAULT! come back here sony my old back dont work so well any more and i cants catch ya if ya run away....
Some of the lads switched his blood pressure meds for viagra, he's so senile he didn't know the difference. This is also the reason, as Wolfy said, the enemy keep running away.
I have a cunning plan...So cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a Weasel...
They don't rot at all. They turn to dust but that takes a hot, dry climate over a few thousand years (former archaeologist here!).
Excellent post dude, but you're applying logic and reasoning to something where it actually won't hold up to that kind of scrutiny.
I'm not completely familiar with the GW universes and have no idea of the fluff but from looking at it from the outside, as a lifelong SF fan, it's more fantasy than science fiction - I'm willing to bet that there isn't a single SM item, not a vehicle, a piece of armour or a single piece of kit, that actually 'makes sense' in a real-world way (as opposed to a comicbook way, like Iron Man's armour for example).
The worst and most visible examples are the armoured vehicles and the powered armour itself which are just silly.
Einion
Their brains are the computer. The Adeptus Mechanicus has a big problem with real thinking machines (which is also why the Land Raider machine spirit has "organic components").
Though they do think for themselves, and they are fully capable of rebelling if not reliably controlled. Necromunda had an entire faction of escaped servitors who gained a little of their sentience back bit by bit (if not their memories).
It's something similar to what the Marines or some tech-priests have where sections of the brain "sleep" while awake to facilitate longer hours of being awake. Though they do have to shut down/sleep eventually.The bodies are kept alive by a combination of original organs and bionic replacements.
And are fed a protein gruel each day to provide fuel (food)
I seem to recall that servitors don't need sleep either... glanded stimulants?? "sleep-mode"??
White Dwarf, I'll have to find the number later. It was an Index Astartes article on the Tech-priest something Land who found the designs for the Land Raider and Land Speeder.
I know there's a poster showing a cut-out of a land-raider, with every part showing and numbered, but I can't find it anywhere, not even on the BL website...
Yeah, the two were designed in tandem. Since the question was on casings for the ammunition, I only talked about the FRAG-12.
I've always figured this little toy to be the closest thing to a real-life bolter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
The AA-12 assault shotgun
It can even use the FRAG-12 munitions (about 4:00 minutes into the clip)
It's originally mentioned briefly in one of Abnett's other books (Guns of Tanith now that I think about it).it's also possible to set a lasgun-battry to explode. I can't remember if the primer says so too, or if it's just in Dan Abnett's Ghostmaker...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PEU_201IfI
Though the Chimera is really just a BMP-1.
The Baneblade is an upscale Abrams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ4J69EEpu4and the powered armour itself which are just silly.
Einion
Around 1:55 into the video
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I think you misunderstand Dedwrekka, I'm not saying the idea of them is silly, just the way they're designed/depicted.
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noun ( fem. demigoddess |ˈdemēˌgädis| )
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• a person who is greatly admired or feared.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: translating Latin semideus .
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The one that always bugs me is the land raider tank has practicaly no ground clearance on its sides. Its ment to be a bad ass tank but it looks like it couldnt even get over a speed bump!!!! unless it has no suspension. That would be one bumpy ride.
good point i think as einion said the vehicles are just strange and impracticle, they would probably ground out an sit in the mud
cassar [demigod] |ˈdemēˌgäd|
noun ( fem. demigoddess |ˈdemēˌgädis| )
a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
• a person who is greatly admired or feared.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: translating Latin semideus .
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I always wondered what any soldier could possibly fit into the dozen-odd tiny pouches strapped in every place imaginable. A space marine, for example, equipped with a couple of the pouches that come in the tac squad box, just seems completely ridiculous. A marine with jumbo sized hands in power armor is expected to carefully open up a tiny pouch the size of one of his fingers, during the heat of battle... and pull out what? A shiny button? One bullet? Maybe a packet of flower seeds? Who knows?
Another thing I never quite understood was steampunk. To me the idea seems to involve haphazardly gluing as many gears as possible onto something that's already ridiculous-looking, and it suddenly becomes a different genre. Oh, and don't forget an exhaust pipe or two.
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I've read various odds & ends in The Register that tie-in this year, here you go...
'Blitzer' railgun already 'tactically relevant', boasts maker
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/blitzer_trials/
US Army: Judge Dredd smartgun in every squad from 2014
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12...2014_timeline/
US Army trials Iron Man super-trooper exoskeleton
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07...oes_to_natick/
Each article has links to related articles if you want to track the development of the technologies. Can't say I'm massively interested in military tech, and am certainly no fetishist, but spotting the sci-fi/fantasy precedents is always funI'm sure this news has shown up elsewhere but I enjoy the Reg's mickey-taking attitude!
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@Matt Steampunk is essentially an alternate world where the aesthetics and technologies of the Victorian era in particular are still used. Think Jules Verne and H.G. Welles. From there you can take it into various different areas. it ranges from the almost entirely Victorian with a little bit of fancifulness (the lates version of Sherlock Holmes, for example), to the punk stylings. There's some really great stuff out there.
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