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    Angry Dungeons and Dragons is dead long live Pathfinder!

    Hi guys been reading on the Internet forums that 4th edition is over and 5th edition is on the way?!?!?

    Got to say IMHO 4th has been deeply disappointing if you want a role playing game. WoW light on the tabletop with skills virtually gone feats dashed and powers what ever they are meant to be? Magic system trashed and player character races and classes just gone!!! They (hasbro) putting profits I.e. releasing half assed core rulebooks to encourage sales and linking it to mini sales(withdrawn) and virtual gaming (failed) and pushing the 16-18 demographic nowt wrong with that but ditching the 30-60 age bracket completely WTF? Last time I looked this was the mainstay of support for d&d and certainly the age bracket with the wonga!

    Any way doesn't matter what I think but what the paying public does.

    Sales trashed, supplements not released and the elephant in the room Pathfinder (or 3.75 as my gaming group calls it). Consistently outselling WOTC the majority of the gamers very happily converting to this excellent system or staying with 3.5. (allegedly)

    That's the one for me no big corporate monster to feed just an excellent game system tightened right up till it purrs along like a well oiled machine.

    Rumours abounding that Monte Cook being paid big bucks to head up the replacement for this looser of a system but if true (don't know only repeating what I've heard could be bollocks) by the throne of khorne he's got a big task ahead of him when they have lost most of the market to Paizo. Why would anyone change back when it's choping and changing eds after what three years?!? That's like the suited board member /accountants saying yeah walking wallets we know we don't understand your pathetic nerdy hobby and we totally FUBARd but hey trust us this will be even worse sorry we mean better when we sell it off to some poor fanboy millionaire sucker and make a last short term profit.

    As you can tell I'm not bitter at all about the complete and utter f*ck up they made of the gaming system I love .......honest; this is a completely balanced appraisal of the situation and I hold no grudges

    Any way what do you think???
    Last edited by AndyG; 04-05-2012 at 04:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squidders View Post
    I don't do thinking.
    Oh go on....just a little bit; it won't hurt much...........well maybe a bit.

    Please.
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    Monte Cook is behind the reigns, no question about that. You can read his designer "blog" stuff on the official WotC D&D site. I just hope he doesn't steer things too far back towards 3rd edition... I mean, 3rd was great fun at all (if you played a magic-user at least), but balance was terrible and high level play was unmanageable. From your post it sounds like you haven't tried fourth at all. I was pretty resistant to the change to 4e, citing a lot of the same things you did, but in all honesty once I gave it a shot I found it to be tremendously better. Mainly because it actually has balance across classes (not saying it's perfect on that point my any means- far from it- but way closer than 3rd), and the system of at-will/encounter/daily powers is so much nicer than the vancian spellcasting system of the previous editions.

    Anyhow, I'm sure opinions on this will be widely varied, but I for one hope they manage to bring back more of the feel of 3rd edition while keeping a lot of the rules from 4th. From what I hear of playtests of 5e, that's not really what's happening.

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    The thing for me with the magic classes was the vancian system loved it rather than the mana style magic system. Yep got to agree with the epic level stuff very hard to play. But here's the rub you could do anything with 3.5 if you wanted to make beer and blow glass to bottle it to celebrate your dungeon crawl you could do it with the 3.5 system. Hey how there we go. Glad to see him back though
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    I don't like "mana" style systems either, and 4e does not use one. More like, everyone has some limited abilities, but also something they can always do. The fighter can always swing his sword, and the wizard can always cast Magic Missile (or whatever at-will you choose). In 3rd, a wizard without any spells left was dead weight- not fun at low levels, when you have very few spells per day.

    If you want to brew beer and blow glass in 4th, go for it. It just doesn't take away from choices that affect your power level- you don't give up ranks in perception or stealth or whatever skills to learn to brew beer. Just give your DM the backstory to explain that you do those things, and voila. If you really want a "crunch" reason for being able to craft things, take a crafting related background.

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