Life Drain triggers on hits?
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    Default Life Drain triggers on hits?

    Life Drain card says that it triggers on hits, does that mean that the defense roll doesn't matter?
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    Correct. On hit does not count the defense roll.

    Hit is rolling a sword/bow or crit on attack roll.
    save is rolling a shield or crit on defense roll.
    Wound is not saving a hit.

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    Thanks! At the beginning we thought it was OP, but many games after it makes sense to be this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigoras View Post
    Correct. On hit does not count the defense roll.

    Hit is rolling a sword/bow or crit on attack roll.
    save is rolling a shield or crit on defense roll.
    Wound is not saving a hit.
    OMG this whole time we have been playing life drain only after defense has been rolled.....this actually makes a lot of sense, life drain is hard to land to begin with.....

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    Makes bombs a lot stronger as well since they trigger on hit.

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    Another life drain resulted question: is the healing effect applied after the defense roll and subsequent counterattack (D&D rules), or immediatly?

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    With it being cued to "on hit", the healing should be applied before the defense roll or counter-attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigoras View Post
    Correct. On hit does not count the defense roll.

    Hit is rolling a sword/bow or crit on attack roll.
    save is rolling a shield or crit on defense roll.
    Wound is not saving a hit.
    Is this confirmed? Are you one of the designers or afilliated with CMON? How does cancelling a hit mean anything other than cacelling a hit?
    Last edited by LemonyFresh; 03-19-2016 at 04:30 AM.

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    Trigoras is not (neither am I), but this is the consensus of the forums from discussions on the topic. I swear Thiago confirmed it somewhere, but can't find it ATM. It isn't in the FAQ, which it should be just to clear it up as the question seems to me to come up often.

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    Is there any reason why Saves shouldn't just cancel Wounds instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonyFresh View Post
    Is there any reason why Saves shouldn't just cancel Wounds instead?
    I think you're referring to the phrasing from the rulebook-
    Once all dice have been rolled, compare the number of hitsscored by the attacker with the number of saves obtained bythe target’s Defense (if he had any). Each save cancels one hit.If there are still any hits remaining, the target suffers a numberof Wounds equal to the number of exceeding hits. Place thatnumber of Wound tokens on the targeted Hero’s card, or in caseof a Monster, next to its figure.
    This probably should be re-worded, but its clarified a bit since there are cards that refer to "a hit" versus "deals a wound". Hammers require a wound to be dealt, while bombs/life drain do not require wounds to be dealt. Just a success on the attack roll. Things that happen on "hit(s)" occur before canceling any hits with saves.

    From the FAQ:
    Q. Can an ability or special effect take place in the middle of an attack/payback resolution?
    A. It depends on the trigger of the ability:
    ◆ If the trigger is a Hit, Save or CRIT, it takes place immediately after the dice are rolled.
    ◆ If the trigger is a Wound, it takes place immediately after Defense has been rolled and any Saves applied.
    ◆ If the trigger is a kill, it takes place immediately after Wounds are dealt, possible reactions and any abilities have been resolved.
    Effectively, when the figure is removed from the board.

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    Much thanks! I'm suggesting the whole tangled mess of applying things and then partway cancelling them would be gone if it was worded that saves cancelled / prevented wounds instead of hits. Because seemingly in all cases, that's exactly what they do (see your second bullet).
    Last edited by LemonyFresh; 03-22-2016 at 05:52 PM.

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