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    We might be talking over a meter and a third tall when finished.


    I've already played around with the greaves quite a bit combining the best features and adding modifications I deemed necessary (But nothing is etched in stone I hasten to add.)


    https://i.imgur.com/CblbgPo.jpg



    First I do not hold with the Space Marines rattling around in the greaves trying to stand on a shifting floor with every step the Titan takes plus when the model is static say on a shelf I plan to display him in the classic Emperor pose with legs slightly spread, greaves at an angle to the ground/shelf for maximum stability.


    https://i.imgur.com/e1ZsFfj.jpg



    A pose I'm sure a working Emperor would take when firing at an enemy. When you speak of Infantry I presume you mean Space Marines.... I'm not up on Titan lore but I was under the impression that they transported armoured combatants (?)


    https://i.imgur.com/VD6NAQg.jpg



    I plan to have my Marines held in place with harnesses as in the 'Drop Pod' model which would be the only way they could survive the walking jostling.





    Once the Marines prepare to disembark the Titan can assume a stance that is more conducive to discharging the personnel.


    I've always felt the main body of the Emperor titan held all the business end of the of the vehicle; Command deck, Engineering, Reactors, Machinery.


    The top hamper being reserved the worship of the Machine God Omnissiah or Deus Mechanicus the supernatural entity worshipped by the Tech-priests and other servants of the Adeptus Mechanicus as the embodiment and bestower of all knowledge and technology in the universe.


    Other than the manufacture of the deck I've done little in planning the superstructure which will be a project almost as big as what has already been done. I do have a Skitarii crew and tech priests and Belisarius Cawl to inhabit the deck once completed but all that is far off even in the planning stage.


    Right now I have the model sitting on the floor of my den. Even without legs it's two feet tall and I'm wondering what to do with it when it's done. We might be talking over a meter and a third tall when finished.
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    Mistakes Were Maid


    Fortunately the materials are relatively inexpensive and much of the material was salvageable.


    https://i.imgur.com/omRVt7P.jpg



    My perception of the bulk of the greaves was seriously flawed and until I started on the second level structure was this apparent. The corner spires were too bulky and would have necessitated cutting down the central second level structure making the flying buttresses too small as well and perhaps unworkable. The biggest flaw was my persistent insistence on using the Sanctum Imperialis beautiful double doors as a focal point of the greaves This may or may not be workable......


    https://i.imgur.com/OIYJP0m.jpg



    Anyway I'm back on track with a minimum of hand-wringing and downtime. I frequently make errors taking the time to correct them is always a priority with me because good enough is Never Good Enough.
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    blimey, I never know what to say to this thread, as im more into painting then modeling so do not have a grasp on what you're doing. looks very impressive though, and must be a tricky thing to. always nice to see it progressing even if I don't comment much.

    keep up the good work.

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    Yeah, the second version does look as a better starting point to add plating and detailing.
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    The Beat Goes On:


    Before I get too far ahead I should keep you all apprised of recent developments.


    By the slow method of how I build some thoughts enter my mind as to how to make this Titan more interesting.


    https://i.imgur.com/0kRs1V0.jpg



    It came to me that the front of the greaves is too bland and to add more interest I decided to recess the assault doors.


    https://i.imgur.com/hbCx0xB.jpg



    I also began work on the top coppola, the area immediately below the knee, These greave may prove to be an interesting focal point of this titan.


    https://i.imgur.com/O5JZJCr.jpg



    While working I happened to glance a the seeming pile of rubble in the corner of my workshop. A sad array of unfinished Emperor Titan parts that bear little resemblance to what may prove to be my best effort to date.........
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    Resting On One's Laurels:


    Before I get too smug and self-satisfied I just repaired the interior of my Warlord. and I was surprised at the lengths my OCD drove me three or so years ago. As I contemplate doing an interior for my Emperor Titan I thought I'd refresh myself on my previous construction.


    Over the years the glue had lost it's grip on the aluminum impregnated wall coatings I used for much of this model inside and out and pieces were rattling around inside. I found some two decks down in the Engineering bay.


    Anyway once all put together I fired up the interior lighting (surprisingly it all functioned) and took these images so I don't have to disassemble it again until when and if I decide to upgrade the paint.


    So here's five pictures of the Command deck and Tech Priest balcony replete with Altar to the Machine God, Omnissiah.


    https://i.imgur.com/5UBXtI5.jpg



    Starting with the egress to the Command deck through the entry port.


    https://i.imgur.com/HPVuC9K.jpg



    I don't know if I've posted these or not other than in the construction phase. Most certainly not on Facebook or any of the new forums I frequent.


    https://i.imgur.com/hoygzJW.jpg



    The upper left Gallery and a view of the Altar


    https://i.imgur.com/oUGghoP.jpg



    and the right Gallery.......


    https://i.imgur.com/A8Oame4.jpg



    I've gotta straighten that railing.............


    Never mind the railing Blackadder; What about that bloody great hole in the deck?
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    Time For A Proportion Check:


    One of the hazards of working without a plan is you lead yourself down a primrose path only to find the portion you are working on does not fit with the rest of the project.


    I have to estimate the height of the finished Emperor Titan and then figure out how tall each of the components need to be to give me a proper proportion.


    I'm figuring the completed Emperor will now be a meter and a quarter tall since the lower legs fill the space between the feet and the hip. That leaves virtually no room for a thigh.


    https://i.imgur.com/KcGi4jT.jpg



    As it stands right now without the superstructure it is 33 inches (0.8382 meter) tall. and it still needs about 6 inches of thigh length minimum even if I put the knee joint directly above the topmost section of the greave.


    https://i.imgur.com/qhOstA3.jpg



    Looks like a lot of people will be getting their wish that I should make it taller. Right now I'm figuring 240 scale feet (73.152 Scale Meters). 80 feet taller than the Warlord.
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    Regarding the scale and proportions - would it not be possible to work backwards? Measure the torso and the approximate part it is of the titan (1/3 or 1/6 or whatever) and caluclate approximate leg height from there?

    Also, this looks more and more beadtly by the day(post?). Great work!

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    I think that mocking up the weapon arms and superstructure might help a lot to gauge the desired thigh length. Perhaps just use some cardboard to block out the general dimensions of the missing parts?
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    Thanks for the reply............

    33 Inches Tall:


    RIght now it's standing about 33 Inches Tall without feet or superstructure.


    https://i.imgur.com/x9bKa1w.jpg



    The left leg is covered with the basic skin and the proportions look about right. I'm toying with the idea of having the egress on the inner side of the greaves where it would make more sense rather than the front plus it would lend itself better to have the troops exit the greaves under the full protection of the Titan guards until they are formed up as a full company. Plus the inner toes would incorporate the descending stairs to the ground leaving the front toes uncluttered with the steps.
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    Where's Waldo:


    So after this weekend's work I have little to show for it but if you follow this thread you may be able to pick out what has been done.


    No fair cheating and referencing the previous text.




    https://i.imgur.com/2rJeRD4.jpg



    I'm still wrestling with the egress of the troops from the greaves




    https://i.imgur.com/RR657Ku.jpg



    Logic would dictate they exit the rear. I've compromised and allowed for a inner thigh exit. to have them exit to the front piecemeal may appeal to the 40K genera but not to common sense. After all we're not exiting a one shot beach landing craft.
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    I see the dilemma... From the side does seem the easiest and most logical. From the back would be the safest but would have the same slanting issue as the front. I'd go for the insides. You can always have door-shaped plating on the front to keep the look as canon as possible. It would fit the design and imagery I feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meph View Post
    I see the dilemma... From the side does seem the easiest and most logical. From the back would be the safest but would have the same slanting issue as the front. I'd go for the insides. You can always have door-shaped plating on the front to keep the look as canon as possible. It would fit the design and imagery I feel.
    One of the things I like about GW/FW models is they do not stint on the hidden details While I truly love the huge double doors they just do not lend themselves to an easy front egress from the greaves plus the well sculpted front 'toes' would be compromised by an ugly staircase as in the epic model The side egress is most appealing compromise to me in terms practicality, function, and that dirty word, 'safety' plus it does allow me to keep the double doors.....

    I see the greaves as a massive troop transport pretty much as you describe but the models I've seen including the one I am following have a single door that only one or two troops can exit at a time; easy pickings for an alert foe, A company disgorged quickly through massive double doors can bring the fight to the enemy as a cohesive force plus the spraddled legs in the classic titan stance lend themselves to an easy exit down the inner side toe ramp/steps.


    The beautifully rendered movie Helsreach part 5


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z0klMZ7r8M&t=162s


    ignores the problem completely but in the scene at the 4:43 minute mark shows the exit door easily 20 feet above the ground with at least a 6 foot drop to the top surface of the front toe.


    https://i.imgur.com/bz4KX3Z.jpg



    The Tech Priests magically appearing in the scene.


    Nevertheless I really appreciate your input
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    Quite a Feet


    As I estimate right now this is about the size of the foot print for this baby.


    https://i.imgur.com/pfI5l2y.jpg



    Whereas the Warlord had baneblade size feet. This Emperor will have half again more


    https://i.imgur.com/CMafvLo.jpg



    With the greave in place it seems I can trim the toes a tad but no hurry as I am now in the process of designing ankles.


    https://i.imgur.com/47tgGJL.jpg



    Yeah, you read me right, ankles.
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    I Cannot Help Myself:


    It seems I am again in the situation where I cannot compromise this construction by taking short cuts.


    Originally this thread was a tutorial on how to make a quick and gratifying Emperor Titan out of recycled plastic debris and GW bitz plus some plasticard. I expected to bring the thing in for about a hundred bucks American.


    https://i.imgur.com/JC06rvC.jpg



    Starting with the waffle lenses and a few items purchased on Amazon The project has now run into about twice as much which still isn't bad but far beyond what I hoped for.


    In the series of images presented here is My solution to a problem that has vexed me since beginning; how am I to reconcile the leg joints? So here's my solution......


    https://i.imgur.com/ClaHuT8.jpg



    A ball joint ankle. In the two images above I made a cup recess for a two inch wood drawer pull ( A design I made for my scratch built Warhound years ago) so who's to say, "You have to keep teaching an old dog the same old tricks."


    https://i.imgur.com/oBFCt4n.jpg



    By carefully cutting out and stacking the waffle pieces and reinforcing them periodically I managed to build a close tolerance socket fit for the drawer pull knob. This will allow the foot to pivot front to back and side to side and any combination in between


    https://i.imgur.com/mQNCTqT.jpg



    The upper part of the assembly captures the ball and with luck provide sufficient friction to keep the ball in position by clamping it in place. Otherwise I'll have to reinforce the cup with A4 epoxy resin as I did on the Warhound.


    https://i.imgur.com/DeJ7lf1.jpg



    Next, the shank.
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    Ingenious!
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    Thanks for the reply,

    Anybody Know What This Is:


    Gold is where you find it but from the moment I saw a couple of these in my neighbor's recycling I knew I would some day have a use for them. All along I was thinking some FW/GW futuristic Plasma weapon for a big Titan.


    https://i.imgur.com/El7xQNq.jpg



    But the unique and unusual design works well with my plans to build a troop transport greave interior right down to recesses for the huge actuators that stabilize the foot and the levels to hang the troopers shoulder harnesses when their being transported.


    https://i.imgur.com/9nFLn7k.jpg



    So now the ball and socket may make more sense especially with the sleeve removed..........


    https://i.imgur.com/uHF50bg.jpg



    https://i.imgur.com/8oXCttD.jpg
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    Looks like part of an obscure cleaning device where you pull in the drenched rag, or absorbing tentacles into the vice-like housing to torture out the last squeezings of foul water.
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