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    Some of the minis posted are so beautiful with painting better than most artists could do, I mean painters not to say we are not artists I would love to see a gallery put pimiatures or scenes that make a specific meaning. I am wnted to get a dialog going on your ideas or philosophy of weather miniatures will ever be considered art by the art world, or maybe they are what's your take?
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    it is both. Especially depending on execution and ideas.
    And yes, there are/were galleries that already showcased painted minis. Not likely to be done on big art ones, but smaller local ones it's doable.

    Then again nowdays a can of coke or a pile of sh*t is considered art. (not by me, but by artists)
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    Imo definitely art
    1. 'Painting is a companion with whom one may hope to walk a great part of life's journey.' W. Churchill
    Thank you for asking but I don't do commissions.

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    I know people have had their work on display in galleries, though I believe in smaller galleries and nothing like an art museum. This seems to be a bit more common over in Europe than in the US. I think some painters like Roman Lappat have had their works on display. In the US, Matt DePietro did, but I'm not sure if anyone else has or has even tried. There are people like Alfonso Giraldes who are really pushing for miniature painting to be seen as an art form like regular painting, sculpture, etc. I don't think it's viewed like that yet by the more established art world, but in time it hopefully will be.

    In short, I absolutely think mini painting is an art. You are creating something and expressing yourself. How 'good' a piece is doesn't matter. If you think of 2-D painting, a beginner/amateur isn't going to be very good, but it's still art. Of course, not at the level which would be shown in a gallery.

    What I think miniature painting has trouble with is acceptance by the larger art world as another area of art. I think it's in part due to the relatively small community (plenty of people out there who know next to nothing about mini painting) and it's association with gaming. Easy to write it off as just toys and not art. But that again is related to a lack of experience. Anyone who looks at the top work in the gallery here or P&P would hardly call any of those toys.

    Another issue which puts mini painting in a strange spot is that fact that most of us paint commercial kits. If you sculpt and paint your own piece, that's easy. Go to almost any art museum and you'll find painted sculptures. At the point it's just a difference in the scale. But I'm not aware of any parallels with the other more established areas of art for working with a commercial kit and building the art on top of that. In that respect, the more you change the kit (through conversion, through dioramas or scenic bases, making it convey a story or emotion), the more it's going to seem like art to people outside the mini painting community. I've described it in the past as somewhere between 'paint by numbers' and 'art.' When I just started out, I did flat painting, just following the sculpt (essentially paint by numbers, adding nothing new). As I improved, I began shading, working with light, adding texture, weathering, freehand, etc. I began putting more and more of my own take on the figure and pushing it towards art (or at least what a gallery might consider art). It's something I continue to work on.

    So yes, mini painting is absolutely art. But what will it take for it to be accepted as art (and known more widely) by those not in the figure painting community?

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    Good answers. If someone would try and get in a gallery would it make more since to make a diaroma scene from a historical aspect like a scene from Rome or one of the great wars or even the vietnam war sime fantasy would not be as readable to their audience. I live in Austin and would like to try and get into the art scene to sell works or Commission historical scenes.

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    I don't think it's art and I don't want it to be art. No amount of words (albeit some people have tried) can convince me with words that a miniature is well painted when it isn't.

    It's a craft. A lovely and nice craft.

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    I think of craft as sticking buttons onto a wooden box lol
    1. 'Painting is a companion with whom one may hope to walk a great part of life's journey.' W. Churchill
    Thank you for asking but I don't do commissions.

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    IMO, painting a miniature is a craft. Creating (sculpting) a miniature from a piece of clay is art. The original sculptures by Michael Kontraras are definitely art, just done in a non-traditional medium. They would certainly be at home in a gallery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ten ball View Post
    I think of craft as sticking buttons onto a wooden box lol
    Maybe I'm missing something in the language here but otherwise I think the most skilled button-on-boxes people, the ones who call themselves button-on-box artists might say: "Craft? When I hear craft I think of the dorks casting and painting tin soldiers. I'm an artist. Here's my card!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrJim View Post
    IMO, painting a miniature is a craft. Creating (sculpting) a miniature from a piece of clay is art. The original sculptures by Michael Kontraras are definitely art, just done in a non-traditional medium. They would certainly be at home in a gallery.
    Which ones? If one would use a time machine and go back 200 years, sure. But as contemporary art goes I can't think of anything really that would show up in an art gallery from the kind of commercial sculptures we paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avelorn View Post
    Maybe I'm missing something in the language here but otherwise I think the most skilled button-on-boxes people, the ones who call themselves button-on-box artists might say: "Craft? When I hear craft I think of the dorks casting and painting tin soldiers. I'm an artist. Here's my card!"
    lol lol, agreed
    1. 'Painting is a companion with whom one may hope to walk a great part of life's journey.' W. Churchill
    Thank you for asking but I don't do commissions.

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    Well, take painting on canvas as an example. I don’t think anyone here would disagree that’s considered an established art form. A lot of people paint for fun, as a hobby. Most aren’t producing work good enough to be in a gallery, but I’d still call it art. I feel it’s similar for miniature painting. I’d agree you’re unlikely to paint a commercial kit and have it end up in a gallery. If you create your own and paint it, why not? It’s just a question of quality, expression, etc.

    I think we’ve got different definitions of art and craft. I think you’d say the amateur painting at home is doing a craft while the professional pushing the boundaries and getting their work in a gallery is making art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey03 View Post
    Well, take painting on canvas as an example. I don’t think anyone here would disagree that’s considered an established art form. A lot of people paint for fun, as a hobby. Most aren’t producing work good enough to be in a gallery, but I’d still call it art. I feel it’s similar for miniature painting. I’d agree you’re unlikely to paint a commercial kit and have it end up in a gallery. If you create your own and paint it, why not? It’s just a question of quality, expression, etc.

    I think we’ve got different definitions of art and craft. I think you’d say the amateur painting at home is doing a craft while the professional pushing the boundaries and getting their work in a gallery is making art.
    Yes we might have different definitions, art it's not about something being "good enough", art for me is not a standard of excellence. Most of our favourite fantasy illustrators are are not part of the art mainstream at all regardless of being excellent at what they do. Art does not equal creativity. I think right now that art is what people who studied art produces when they say that they are doing art. It will probably change in the future though.

    I think we're creating something better than art. We've built a community of thousands of people, many who would maybe not even have picked up a paint brush otherwise, and together we are discovering and expressing our creativity. That's an awesome thing!

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    We are crafty artists !

    See what I did ?
    1. 'Painting is a companion with whom one may hope to walk a great part of life's journey.' W. Churchill
    Thank you for asking but I don't do commissions.

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    Ive been a painter (artist) for over 20 years and made ok money but some mini painters like Matt DePietro are better at painting on a 3d surface than most of the painters (canvas) I have known in my life so yes it's art. Andy Warhol didn't touch any of his own work for the last 5 years of his life yet he's considered an artist. Plates made by other companies were painted my porcelain artists yet we still call them artists. Minis are our canvas and some of the top artists are definitely artists. Jmho

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    remember, all art is subjective. whether its paintings, models, music, movies, etc...

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    It's a difficult one to give a definitive answer on, unless you are sculpting your own stuff to paint then everything is a collaborative effort between painter and original sculptor, minis are our canvas but theres less freedom because we are limited by what's sculpted or what we can change on models. There's definitely artistic elements mainly in colour choices and techniques that are often lifted straight from traditional art. I imagine there's legal problems from displaying a copyrighted commercial miniature that somebody has painted and the practical problem of the size, generally when I've been to galleries (a long time ago now) the paintings and sculptures are quite big to make them easier to view

    On the sculpting side of things if we ignore the practical problem of size then it'll come down to the theme, a gaming figure isn't likely to make the cut imo, maybe historical ones but fantasy/sci-fi i don't think would. As I said I haven't been to a gallery for years but do they even display digital art? if not would they also not want to display a 3d printed sculpture? The sculpting side probably has an easier crossover because galleries have been displaying sculptures for a long time, the only difference is the size

    I also don't think you can split it into art or hobby, it is both just as painting on canvas is, could it be displayed in a gallery? There's definitely work out there that is good enough but whether it would or not I don't know, I'd actually be interested to see the decision panel evaluate some models (there was an episode of top gear years ago where they asked this question about cars and had to make a case to have them displayed in a museum)

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    In reality there is only one (?) way to find out.
    Ask an Art Gallery Director if they would consider holding an exhibition.

    Of course best to ask a number of different Galleries
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    How does one define art? Art is a diverse range of human activities in creating visual, auditory or performing artifacts (artworks), expressing the author's imaginative, conceptual idea, or technical skill, intended to be appreciated for their beauty or emotional power. Oh, thanks wikipedia! So I guess yes it is art?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avelorn View Post
    I don't think it's art and I don't want it to be art. No amount of words (albeit some people have tried) can convince me with words that a miniature is well painted when it isn't.

    It's a craft. A lovely and nice craft.
    True in some ways but as art is expressive (in this case visually and I guess textually, yes I may be making up words here) surely it can be art even though you may not enjoy specififc pieces. I'm rambling let me put it this way, I like H R Giger artwork, I think it's expressive and well produced, there are some pieces I don't like simply because they're not to my taste but I wouldn't hesitate to call them art as they are visually expressive. Does this make sense? Another example is John Blanche, probably the most expressive mainstream miniature painter, is it for us to say his pieces are not art? And what about his canvas pieces? Does he stop being an artist when he leaves canvas to paint a miniature? I guess art is in the eye of the beholder as much the creator. We've all submitted our work to this forum for the enjoyment and criticism of others, maybe this is our art gallery. I for one pai t miniatures for the relaxing aspect of it woth the intention to display them, I'm not a gamer. Should we view those painted for gaming as different to those painted for display?
    Well that was longer than I anticipated!

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