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    New to the hobby and just had my first try with a conversion. I used green stuff and loved it. Still can’t figure out how to keep my tools wet, but it was enjoyable nonetheless. Any tips or recommendations are appreciated. I started with a half painted crypt ghoul with the intent of making it look like it was spawning from a fleshy mass and growing bone protrusions. I’m not sure which route to go with on finishing up the colors. I can’t seem to get wnough color to take on the base without it chalking up like crazy. Photos will likely suck, no clue what i’m doing in that department.
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    The thing attached to it’s arm is supposed to be a bulbous plantlike think attached like an umbilical cord with a mind of its own. Really not sure if my intent is conveyed through the model at all though.

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    That thing is the stuff of nightmares. What a twisted sickly disturbing midelgranting visual mayhem on all who look!!!! Really successful idea conveyed!!!

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    I really wasn’t sure if it was me or the drugs, but really glad the “look” wasn’t missed. I could not find a magic angle for the camera to hit it well. I posed it’s left arm too high and close to the face and i think it impeded the overall look quite a bit. I’m red/green colorblind and screwed myself hard with painting the base and can’t visually separate the well without extreme scrutiny. It kinda turned to a brownish mess to my eyes and i couldn’t pick out the paint i was putting on. It was a really refreshing learning curve and i have improved a lot over the course of the model. It’s been a really fun pain in the ass though

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    Great work with the green stuff, your conversion turned out great, and the concept you had really shows... I like it

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    Dig it! Really cool work with the green stuff! Keep it going!

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    Thanks a ton for the support guys. Any suggestions on how i could get some more color depth and separation into the base? My painting has improved a lot since i last worked on him but color picking is still a hurdle for me.

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    My current undertaking is 35 of these brutes. Found them basecoated and assembled for a steal. Only real headway i’ve made has been on the face. Looking for any tips on how to get a brighter and more vivid green. I’ve always wanted some vibrant green orcs, but am having trouble getting it light enough without coming out too white.
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    Glaze it back a little with a bright green if you feel it’s going to whiteish

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    You the man! Thanks, i’ll give er a go when i get home from work. Just started working with glazes recently and it’s helped tremendously. I didn’t realize that I just wasn’t diluting enough. Makes things look way better and less chunky.

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    Yeah keep your glazes super dilute, better to do a couple of passes than slap it on too thick... after a bit of practice you will just know how to dilute it for what your trying to do

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    As to sculpting, keep a jar of olive oil handy and dip your sculpting tool in it periodically. Just make sure you don't get too much on it and leave a residue on the model. It would need to be washed before priming.

    One way to make a color seem brighter is to start darker with the shadows. More contrast will make it brighter. The Orcs face looks pretty nice now though!

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    Thanks a ton guys. Glazing is going much better now. I am now horribly aware of how much of an impatient bastard i am. I went back and tried to blend a bit more and darken the recesses like you suggested. It’s starting to smooth out a bit more. Haven’t sculpted in a bit, but i’m going to attempt a hydra spell next. Similar to the spell from Diablo II. I’m eager to give the olive oil a shot. I thought about trying it originally, but wasn’t sure how the oil would affect the putty. I wasn’t sure if it would end up with voids that i couldn’t mix.

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    I agree with CC and creepy basement -all good tips. I really do concur along with them on the face as well. It’s pretty vibrant. Sometimes what we do asartists therereally Dino set waybut what we do is let’s say inthe future you want a really vibrant green ork-you could 1 undercoat with white. 2) start with the most vibrant green you can find in your paint collection add light grey to it this will keep the vibrancy of the hue without turning it chalky and pale . Then just work in reverse-light shades, then mid shades , then deep shades. Viola!!!
    BaM

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    Awesome, can’t wait to give that a shot. It’s just always seemed like i’m missing something basic and i’m not sure what exactly it is. I think this guy may have been basecoated black before being covered by yellow and that may be some of the issue. Really like the thought of light grey vs white. I have not been able to figure out the right times and ways to use white. I always started trying to transition from dark to light first too and it sounds like the opposite works better?

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    Hi Stephan,
    Thought I should visit your WIP after all your supportive comment on mine

    Your orc face looks awesome, if you're specifically asking for advice on how to make that face more vibrant I'd say 'No need' especially if you've got 35 lined up and are a self confessed impatient bastard (though anyone taking on batch painting of 35 minis either has plenty of patience... or will have by the time they finish). Buddhist teaching states 'We should love our enemy for giving us the opportunity to practice patience' . Based on that you could end up really loving your orcs! (but if it goes beyong platonic we just don't want to know!!).

    Black base versus white base versus coloured base?... Each will have minimal impact under undiluted paint but start having more impact if you dilute subsequent coats (impact increases as dilution increases). White should be more vibrant under thinner coats as it reflects back more light, but can get muddy if you over paint in different colours (if the separate colours would give a tertairy colour, the same happens to the light travelling through the coats and reflecting back from the white base). Black can give a dark and moody look so great for minis with lots of shadowy areas or where you want a sombre brooding effect, can be a beast trying to lift highlights back up up with glazes though. Coloured bases rock if your minis have a dominant colour... if you're batch painting stupid-many Space Marines in McCragg Blue the matching GW rattle can just makes sense.

    Shading up or shading down? I'd say either and/or both. Darkening shadows or lightening highlights will both increase contrast, if you use thin glazes on either or both you can fine tune to the result you want. That said, if your initial coats are round about where you want to end up it can save hours tweaking with glazes. I tend to rough in the general colours shades and highlights without too much care (within reason, slapping on thinned coats shouldn't cause blobs or obscure surface detail) to get the basic balance and then progressively refine from there (same process I'm applying on Tony the Acid Trip Pony's wings). Also means minimal time lost if you sketch it in only to find it truly sucks (always assuming you have enough easthetic sense to recognise 'so wrong!'... and you know why I'm mocking myself here!).

    And on that note, it's high time I put down keyboard and lifted brush... all the best mate!!

    I also really like your Crypt Ghoul greenstuff work, it really portrays nightmare horror. I painted the same set some years back but they're quite sterile and soulless compared to yours!

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    Thanks and much appreciated. Yeah I pretty much quit messing with it after glazing back and forth to the point that i don’t know if i am making it better or worse. Great advice too. Hard to keep track of all the little details to take into consideration, but i’m sure i will pick them up in time. I love the orcs mostly for the bright greens and their personality. Started on a few more and am hogging in the paint a lot more to build them up faster and skimp on the massive glaze times like you suggested. Really love the gel medium with warcolours, but the dry time on the glazes are much longer. I pulled up paint a couple times in my impatience and took a long time to cover back up. Really excited about basing for these models as it’s my favorite part of the miniature world i think. So much potential and an endless amount of opportunity and material to pick from.
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    Looks good! What all do you use for your basing? I often laugh at myself, because I've started to look everywhere around the house for things that, ultimately, could be used for basing materials. Still on the hunt for a place to snag some *free* pine bark chunks. lol

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    Thanks man! Those are mostly based with iron filings and cat litter. Saw someone use cat litter and liked the ro kiness of it so i went and picked some up to try it. I don’t know about brands of cat litter but the scented shit is kind of nasty and i’m mildly allergic. The iron filings i like with super glue because it makes a really light texture and it’s fun to use with magnets. I used army painter bushes and just highlighted them a bit. There may be some coffee grounds in there too.

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    Not sure on the pic quality, but here is with magnets, iton filings, and super glue. Not too thrilled on it, but i think it would be easy to experiment and get better results.

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