Adaptative Methods + Cunning Scheme

[GWItheUltimate]

Hey guys,

Can I play those two cards while I control the Letter to only do the bottom part of the card even though I can't fullfill the first part of the ability ?

[serbaelish]

I'd say so. Nothing on the cards suggests that one part is conditional on the other.

[GWItheUltimate]

I'd say so. Nothing on the cards suggests that one part is conditional on the other.

That's the point. Half of people say no, the other half say yes...

Never seen the "real" answer anywhere.

[GWItheUltimate]

Bump !

Still waiting for an answer

[GWItheUltimate]

Still waiting

[MechMage]

Bump !

Still waiting for an answer

You got an answer, it just didn't satisfy you. Maybe someone will come along with a different answer eventually but I doubt there will be a more compelling case for it.

[serbaelish]

You got an answer, it just didn't satisfy you. Maybe someone will come along with a different answer eventually but I doubt there will be a more compelling case for it.

I'm guessing GWitheUltimate is looking for "official." I'd cast a "Summon Michael" spell, but I'm lacking some of the components.

[GWItheUltimate]

I'm guessing GWitheUltimate is looking for "official." I'd cast a "Summon Michael" spell, but I'm lacking some of the components.

Yes I'm looking for "official" because, nothing against you, I have like 15 persons that tells me the first part is mandatory, 15 persons that tells me the first part is not mandatory but has to be done before the second part, and like 15 persons that tells me that you can do first and second part in the order that you want and thus the first part is not mandatory !

So any comments from non-official persons just adds to those stats but is not solving the issue ;-)

[Bazzu]

if you skim through the forum you will find an official answer under disguise in other threads

second part is not mandatory neither is first

[GWItheUltimate]

if you skim through the forum you will find an official answer under disguise in other threads

second part is not mandatory neither is first

Link ?? ---

[CMON Michael Shinall]

There is no "set order" in resolving the text of a card, unless it specifically states to do so (such as "and then" or similar wording), and as serbaelish noted, nothing on this card dictates such an order of resolution. Neither section are dependent on each other.

If effect timing contests, the owner decides the order, per Simultaneous Effects rules.

[GWItheUltimate]

There is no "set order" in resolving the text of a card, unless it specifically states to do so (such as "and then" or similar wording), and as serbaelish noted, nothing on this card dictates such an order of resolution. Neither section are dependent on each other.

If effect timing contests, the owner decides the order, per Simultaneous Effects rules.

Thanks a lot!

[WeaselKingdom]

There is no "set order" in resolving the text of a card, unless it specifically states to do so (such as "and then" or similar wording), and as serbaelish noted, nothing on this card dictates such an order of resolution. Neither section are dependent on each other.

If effect timing contests, the owner decides the order, per Simultaneous Effects rules.

If this is to be true, then why does the FAQ for Predictable Maneuvers rule otherwise and how does that effect Surrounded and Exposed. I know tactics cards are subject to change in 2021 but we have about 4 months of games to play until then. So a ruling would be helpful until that time.

[Hecaton]

I think Adaptive Methods has an implied trigger of "when a legal trigger for expending a condition is available." Unfortunately it's not clear; I'd say you couldn't use it then.

Cunning Plan you just play at the beginning of a turn so that one should be fine.

[WeaselKingdom]

I think Adaptive Methods has an implied trigger of "when a legal trigger for expending a condition is available." Unfortunately it's not clear; I'd say you couldn't use it then.

Cunning Plan you just play at the beginning of a turn so that one should be fine.

I can follow that, but I'm still mainly looking for a way to more accurately rule on Surrounded and Exposed as we have a variable ruling on two cards with nearly the same wording. So I hope to get an answer on how the the third card should be played.

[Hecaton]

I can follow that, but I'm still mainly looking for a way to more accurately rule on Surrounded and Exposed as we have a variable ruling on two cards with nearly the same wording. So I hope to get an answer on how the the third card should be played.

I see no reason why you couldn't play Surrounded and Exposed just for the second effect.

EDIT: If we're going by the ruling on Predictable Maneuvers, anything that says "also" is gonna be contingent on the first part.