Game Changers: the miniature paintjobs that most influenced the hobby / art

KruleBear

Active member
So basically what you are saying is that unless its converted/originated from GW you're not interested.

That's a pretty blinkered view and as I and several others have tried to point out to you model painting has been going a lot longer than that. You've ignored the sculpting works done by Philip Hinchcliffe in 54, 75 90 and 100mm sizes which in the 1970's pushed the standard of Napoleonic models so far forward. Not to mention his 100mm Samurai in full O-Yorai armour which was ground breaking in both the level of detail and complexity and at the time was a staggering £60. (More than my monthly wages at that time) Add in the 54mm miniatures from New Hope Design commissioned to accompany the Osprey books series taken directly from illustrations done by David Hook and others and that is a huge amount being left out.
Don't forget toy soldier history doesn't just start in the Victorian era, it harks back to the time of the Pharaohs as carved and painted toy soldier figures have been found in Egyptian tombs.

Around '78 I was trying to figure out what this D&D thing was and new my 7th grade math teacher was involved with it and asked him to DM for my buddy's and me. Then one day we went to his house and saw those ranks of well painted 54mm Napoleonic Figs. That was pretty much the end off rpg's for me as I was hooked on mini painting and mini battles. Thanks for bringing up the memory DR...dang those early Napoleonic rules seemed convoluted.

@Milosh...I almost forgot Horan.

Mike
 

Kelly Kim

New member
So basically what you are saying is that unless its converted/originated from GW you're not interested.

That's a pretty blinkered view and as I and several others have tried to point out to you model painting has been going a lot longer than that. You've ignored the sculpting works done by Philip Hinchcliffe in 54, 75 90 and 100mm sizes which in the 1970's pushed the standard of Napoleonic models so far forward. Not to mention his 100mm Samurai in full O-Yorai armour which was ground breaking in both the level of detail and complexity and at the time was a staggering £60. (More than my monthly wages at that time) Add in the 54mm miniatures from New Hope Design commissioned to accompany the Osprey books series taken directly from illustrations done by David Hook and others and that is a huge amount being left out.
Don't forget toy soldier history doesn't just start in the Victorian era, it harks back to the time of the Pharaohs as carved and painted toy soldier figures have been found in Egyptian tombs.

Whoah!! Did I say, GW only?

Brushguy's "Griffon Rescue, Built into a Real Cup!" from 2001-ish. I know some people may not remember this piece, but I do. It was one of the very first works where miniatures blended into the real world, and it was Raffaele Picca's (Picster from Massive Voodoo) "Inner Peace" work using another tea cup that reminded me of this much earlier piece. Both are amazing works, and took miniatures well out of the world of gaming, and firmly into the world of "art".

Those aren't GW figs. In fact, I'm not 100% sure the make... I believe Dirk Stiller refers to them as "Thunderbolt Mountain".

There's got to be one paintjob that best exemplifies NMM just as it was becoming popular. I'm thinking one of the early Rackham studio pieces probably set the trend, but I'm not sure which ONE piece would be the one to choose. Jen Haley was a huge influence for us in North America at that time, but I think she was just one of the first in NA to try it out and showcase it.

Rackham was mentioned a few times. We just haven't narrowed it down to one or two works.

On that note, there's a really nice annual publication called, "Spectrum", which features "The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art". Every year, tons of artists submit work to a panel of guest judges (top artists like Brom, Dave Dorman, etc., along with Art Directors from publishers like WotC, Marvel Comics, LucasArts, etc.), and a few get selected to be featured in the next book. A few years back, for the first time that I know of, a miniature was selected to go into the book. It was a Cryx warjack painted by Alison McVey, and last year, a sculpt by Allan Carrasso(sp?) was included in Spectrum 19. I thought those were bold steps from our genre into the outside art world. We've been drawing influence from 2d art, computer games, comics, movies, etc, for eons... could it be that the reverse will slowly become the norm? If so, then that humble warjack could be considered a truly influencial game changer.

The Cryx Warjack is produced by Privateer Press.

Guys, I know you all have your heroes in the figure and military modelling worlds. There's no way I can deny that those artists have inspired us all. What I have to do is set SOME sort of boundary, somewhere, and I choose to set the bounds of my list with models that were originally intended for Fantasy and / or Sci-Fi gaming, but done so well, or so interestingly, that they can be called works of art.

The difference is that many of the kits that Shepard Paine (and others) worked on were already intended to be art display pieces, right from production. Same thing with the various busts, 100mm models, etc. etc. etc. Miniatures from GW, Rackham, PP, Kingdom Death, etc. were designed to be dual-purpose... gaming first, art pieces second (although in KD's case, perhaps the order should be reversed).

I also choose to stay within the genres of Fantasy and Science Fiction, simply because it's what I'm most familiar with. I love military history... I've got an entire bookcase of Osprey books (and books from other publishers) to prove that. However, other than a Warhammer Ancients Samurai army, I haven't PLAYED with or collected many historical miniatures. You got to stick to what you know, ya know?

I'm not trying to offend anyone. I'm CERTAINLY not trying to discount or take anything away from the greats from the historical genre, figure painters, military modellers, scale railroad, etc. What I'm trying to do is make a simple, concise, and SHORT (only 10) list of works in the Fantasy / Sci Fi miniature painting world that inspired a community of hobbyists. I apologize if that means I'm pissing off some people... anyone who creates a "Top Ten" list is ALWAYS going to be pissing some people off. Heck, if I ever heard that Kate Beckinsale got left off Maxim's top 50 hottest people list, I'd be fricking pissed!

So again, my apologies if I can't include everyone. I guess what I should have done was outline my parameters right from the start... it would have saved a lot of headache. I'm not really trying for "The Bigger Picture". I'm trying to do something contained and concise... plenty of time for other "top ten" lists later (which I have every intention to do).
 
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KruleBear

Active member
Ah...Kate Beckinsale...do not take the comments personal. I think we are all enjoying the thread. I believe any top xx list is generally only good for stimulating discussion. You have definately done that . Lol :D
 

Milosh

New member
How about Sheperd Paine? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheperd_Paine

Sorry didn't realize he was mentioned. Silly not to include him because he worked in a larger scale.
I'm a huge fan of his and every year at the mfca show his widow or friends bring in 1 or more of his old displays to view and they are just mind blowing. Last year they had the one where the guys are below deck maning the cannons, gun deck of HMS Victory it's called. Almost everything was scratch built including making the cannon barrels on a lathe.
But I guess H.G Wells isn't the father of wargaming because he used 54mm

the good news is Shep is still with us, he just cant hear anything.
 

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
To make an objective list is impossible, keep that in mind when discussing.

I would put Cyril Abati for consideration. Technically a master and he took the Trompe L'oeil too the next level with this http://www.coolminiornot.com/59385?browseid=4748609 paintjob. Influencing many many people. This is another paintjob that has been very influential I think: http://www.coolminiornot.com/52477?browseid=4748609 And he was early with NMM.

I would not put Matt on the list for the simple reason that I don't think he has been that influential, same maybe with Dirk Stiller. I love the pieces you mention though and Matt is an all round top painter. But there are many others that have done very inspiring things that have not been that influential. Perhaps I'm marking words here but. Remy Tremblay for example mixed in techniques from movie sfx and have casted miniatures in transparent resin creating very realistic skin and has made some controversial minis like the baby face. Not sure how influential he has been though... But perhaps he will be. :) I am for example thinking of doing something similar. Another very inspirational painter is Marjin Van Gils. http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?14579 this and this http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/merlinrossi/WorldExpo08004copia.jpg amongst others.

And of course the most influential painters depend on style and why you paint. There's no real right or wrong in these... but definitely shades of being more right or wrong. :)

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Not an entire derail as it might give some food for thought on potentials, but still not entirely on topic I just going to give you some early influences on me for those who like looking at 90's GW nostalgia! :)

Zodgrod Wortsnagga Snakebit Runtmaster by Tim Prow. This one along with McVeys Ghazghkull was the first. I liked Zodgrod more because of the sculpt and I tried to liken my version to it. I now own the original. Pretty cool huh?

Martin Sahlins Mephiston done in 1996 perhaps when the codex was released. He's a local but did stuff no one did back then. His style was grim and dark and realistic a couple of years before GW painters and looked more like the concepts. His faces were better then anyone I had seen and he used reddening of cheeks etc back in 1996. He did Sanguinius for his one time on the GD's. Won gold. Crappy picture though http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/2003/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=4

Mike McVey........ hard to pinpoint any specific model.

Matt Parkes Ork and IG diorama SS 1995. http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1995/slayer_sword.php?p=21

Neil R Thomassons Asurmen in the same competition. http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1995/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=1#1st

Dave Perrys Nazgob, Orc Shaman http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nE65udXWg...20_99060209049_ColWHOrcShamanMain_445x319.jpg. He glazed around the nose and lips and the mini just came alive. I loved it. Also the Great unclean one he did, a lot of shifts in colour in that one as well.

Ruth Hollerbach Eldrad Ulthran. She was briefly an EM painter back in 1997 and won a bunch of GD's as well. Absolutely amazing painter.

WD207 contained meet the EM team, with pics of their works, Mike Mcveys lustrian diorama and a small tutorial (but very influential to me) on Daves Great unclean one... Those were the days.

Jacob Nielsens entries for GD 1998 http://www.jrn-works.dk/gallery/mini.php?range=GWchaos&model=SlaaneshLord , http://www.jrn-works.dk/gallery/mini.php?range=GWchaos&model=OpenArmy, http://www.jrn-works.dk/gallery/mini.php?range=GWchaos&model=LordOfChange. The metals were at that time unbelievable and the style was so cool.

Two other names that must be mentioned is Joe Hill and Ben Jefferson. :)
 
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ozymandias

New member
Oxymandias, do you mean this chariot?

http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1989/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=8#1st

I vividly recall this model as well and was in awe, although I can't say I changed my painting style because of it. However, I'd be curious as to whether or not Mike Butcher was influenced by it at all... it looks a bit like his style, and he went on to win a number of "Best Painted" and "Army Appearance" awards in North America for years and years with various Nurgle armies. His stuff did influence a number of gamers and converting enthusiasts, I'm sure of it.

yep - That was the miniature I mean. Back in the day it felt like quite a move from the vivid cartoony styles that populated White Dwarf. And whilst it may not look so siesmic now, I found it hugely inspirational at the time.
 

Trevor

Brushlicker and Freak!
Yeah, Cyril should be in there, you know you are influencing when people talk about 'Cyril style' space marines with glowing eyes.
 

turinmacleod

New member
Oh how quickly they forget... or has it really been that long?

You can't talk about Victor Hardy (whose work is excellent) without first talking about Bobby Wong. Those two used to come into the NYC store all the time to show me what they were cooking up for each years Games Day, and every time I was impressed. Only two of his works are on here, and while both are spectacular, I think that his Leonatus edges out his Ultramarine. Victor's pieces were more dramatic, but Bobby's blending techniques were unprecedented and unparallelled at the time.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/496?browseid=4773646

Not long after those Bobby said he had accomplished everything he wanted to do, and was moving on to larger figures, I believe. Still, he has to be remembered as one of the guys whose work inspired many of the artists on CMON.

T
 

freakinacage

Well-known member
Just want to add this one:
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Having since met Nigel and seen the cack handed eejit throw the thing around, I can safely say a bit of me died that day..
 

Kelly Kim

New member
To make an objective list is impossible, keep that in mind when discussing.

Too true.

I would put Cyril Abati for consideration. Technically a master and he took the Trompe L'oeil too the next level with this http://www.coolminiornot.com/59385?browseid=4748609 paintjob. Influencing many many people. This is another paintjob that has been very influential I think: http://www.coolminiornot.com/52477?browseid=4748609 And he was early with NMM.

I can't believe I overlooked Cyril. Absolutely fantastic, and his style was definately influencial. I remember when i first saw that Space Marine you mentioned... that was back when everyone was still emulating the super-clean style (championed by the Eavy Metal team, and GD winners like Bobby Wong). It was so atmospheric and gritty, without being sloppy or rushed looking. I agree... I think that might have been a tipping point for many painters, and how we approached painting sci-fi in general.

I would not put Matt on the list for the simple reason that I don't think he has been that influential, same maybe with Dirk Stiller. I love the pieces you mention though and Matt is an all round top painter. But there are many others that have done very inspiring things that have not been that influential. Perhaps I'm marking words here but. Remy Tremblay for example mixed in techniques from movie sfx and have casted miniatures in transparent resin creating very realistic skin and has made some controversial minis like the baby face. Not sure how influential he has been though... But perhaps he will be. :) I am for example thinking of doing something similar. Another very inspirational painter is Marjin Van Gils. http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?14579 this and this http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/merlinrossi/WorldExpo08004copia.jpg amongst others.

You might be right about Dirk Stiller's piece being "inspirational", but perhaps not as "influencial" as some other considerations. Darn... that piece still deserves to be mentioned somewhere for being so out-of-the-box and technically well executed.

Matt Parkes is also a major inspiration to many, but in terms of having influenced or changed the direction of the art form in a measurable way? Hard to say. He's certainly a superlative artist, who pushes our pre-conceptions of what the limits of miniature painting can be, but it would be difficult to say whether or not he's made us re-examine HOW we paint.

There are also plenty of painters who have been very innovative, but for some reason (lack of exposure?), their innovations haven't transformed miniature painting in general (yet).

And while I'm loathe to have yet another GW model on the list (there are just too many other amazing companies out there, but none of them have the combination of exposure, history, super-pervasive intellectual property, and sheer number of talented artists working on their models), I'm also thinking of including the Sanguinor paintjob from the Eavy Metal Masterclass book. I don't have my copy on me at the moment, and I can't recall which Eavy Metal artist painted the studio version of Sanguinor, but I can say that that paintjob has been copied and emulated by countless painters out there... beginners and journeymen painters for the most part, but still. It helps that it was a fairly well illustrated tutorial on painting NMM, published at the height of NMM popularity, in quite possibly the most widely sold miniature magazine on the planet, but even the GW haters have to admit that it was a pretty damn nice paintjob, and a decent step-by-step painting guide.

Bobby Wong's stuff was inspirational, and epitomized the super-clean, super vibrant painting fashion at the time. He just seemed to do what everyone else was doing, but just at a much higher level than everyone else. I don't know if that qualifies as a "Game Changer". I still love his stuff though, and he's not the only one who moved on from painting at the height of their achievements... years and years before him, Mark Dance was one of the only North American painters who travelled all the way to the UK to compete in the Golden Demons before it went international, and he dominated in many catagories. Then he just disappeared from the scene. My sources say that once he won the top awards in miniature painting, he went off in search of another hobby so that he could start from scratch. A quick google search came up with the following links, showing that he's now one of the dominant model railway enthusiasts in western Canada:
http://www.youtube.com/markdance63
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27907618@N02/sets/72157624106602402/

However, I think now that miniature painting is a much bigger scene than it was in the past, and there's so much more to learn within this art form, we won't have too many more "Mark Dance"s and "Bobby Wong"s abandoning the hobby for something else. At least, that's what I foresee. There's just too much to learn now, for anyone to think, "Oh, now I know EVERYTHING there is to know about painting tiny little men" and getting bored.
 
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VeristicalBlaze

New member
The Eavy Metal painter who painted the Sanguinor is Darren Latham. He is a great and clean painter but influential? His Sanguinor piece is just one of the most widely known NMM pieces, it is easily accesible by beginners. It was the first NMM paintjob I saw too about 2 years ago.
 

RuneBrush

New member
The Eavy Metal painter who painted the Sanguinor is Darren Latham. He is a great and clean painter but influential? His Sanguinor piece is just one of the most widely known NMM pieces, it is easily accesible by beginners. It was the first NMM paintjob I saw too about 2 years ago.

I would say the reason it's so influential is that they had a masterclass piece in White Dwarf, so I guess it depends on how you look at it.
 
My take

Excellent thread all around.

Lots of tangents from the original concept...with the concept perhaps evolving as we go.

Many of you know this stuff much better than I....but....a few questions which may create still
more fun tangents....

1) Is there someone strongly associated with bringing the airbrush to mainstream at this scale ?
2) Is there someone strongly associated with pioneering quality video for SBS and WIP ?
3) How about photography technique for this scale ?
4) Mainstreaming hands-on seminars and the like ? I personally think "Massive Voodoo" sets a high standard

Personally...several things stand out for me.

Shepherd Paine published a SBS for the first issue of Fine Scale Modeler in 1982. It was the captains quarters
of a tall masted ship with a meeting going on. I think it was "To a fair wind and victory" Nelson ?
Powerful and inspiring. His diorama book MUST have bridged the gap from mainstream model kits to minis for
lots of guys ( and gals ? ) at the time. Game changing.

Victoria Lamb's Joan of Arc dio changed the way I looked at this medium forever. Game changing.

All things Jen Haley

All things Rackham

Rusto's "Masques" blows me away every time I see it. Makes me think we can create whatever we can imagine.
This is true of lots of the work here obviously, but this one stands out for me.

Freeman's fantasy and futurist sculptures have single handedly picked up a lot of historical Pegaso
and Andrea regualrs and pulled them over to the darkside. Game changing.

Sukigod's vehicle kitbashes and scratch builts could convince any of us that we could move on
from basic builds to highly customized work. He makes it look easy...and fun. Game changing.

Yellow One showed me that pretty much any inanimate object can be a kick ass canvas. Game changing.

CMON community showed me that every aspect of the human condition can come to bear in simple
conversations that start with little painted figures. I have read pure unadulterated joy, pride, frustration,
anger, jealousy, humility, compassion, romance, sorrow, despair, empathy, generosity, wisdom, abject stupidity,
sarcasm, wit, poetry.....you name it. For many here....a home away from home while still at home.
( I just like giving the community props for being the awesome dysfunctional family that it is )

Chris Wheeler
 

lono

New member
I have only skimmed through this thread due to lack of time right now, so my suggestion may already have been covered and I've missed it. Apologies if that is the case.

I've been into the hobby for about 25 years now but I was extremely GW centric for much of that time so John Blanche and Mike McVey were huge influences on me and the hobby in general - for me the models to represent them would be John's Minotaur and Mike's Eldar Harlequins.

But in an attempt to bring in something I don't think has been mentioned I'll say that Chris Clayton's (Giganticdark) Ultramarine (http://www.coolminiornot.com/218197?browseid=4858884) has to be on the list. It's an amazing miniature anyway, but in showcasing where things have come with the hobby in terms of sharing information and techniques it's his accompanying WIP threads that make it so vital. His coverage of the build (http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?29899-Space-Marine-WIP-Part-1) and painting (http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?31535-Space-Marine-WIP-Part-2) inspired so many folks and more than that, introduced a vast array of new techniques to a ton of people who would never normally have been exposed to them. This model and the associated threads - a master sharing so much so willingly - encapsulates the part that the internet has played in developing the hobby in a super-fast and positive way for me.
 

Kelly Kim

New member
Apologies for dragging this thread out of the grave, but after abandoning it for a time, I finally got around to getting back to this writing project of mine. If anyone's interested in reading the first part of my "Top Ten" list, please check it out:

http://www.sableandspray.blogspot.ca/2014/10/game-changers-my-top-ten-miniature.html

Thanks to much of the feedback and suggestions I got from the CMoN forum, and in particular this thread, I've made quite a few changes to my list from what I had in mind at first.

Comments and criticism are always welcome. As KruleBear posted earlier, the whole concept of a "Top Ten" list is intended to stimulate discussion.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
Well it's a brave thing you do, one man's meat etc....
Classic example is that I have never rated John Blanche's mini painting. The examples I've seen both in print and behind glass looked "scrappy" and half-hearted. Plus I'm not always appreciative of his work in 2D.

BUT I understand that I may well be alone in that view, so Hey Ho.

So for me the game changers were (and are) Jen Haley for general quality and "Eye Candy appeal, Angela Imre ( Saxonangel) for the clear sword effect in her gallery and the Rackham Company painters for the NMM, particularly Theirry Huiser who's recipes I use to this day.
 
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