Infidel Castro
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Even as I type I can advise you that she just gave me a dead arm and chewed my ear off.
*clears throat*
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funnymouth
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all this talk of buttered lasses and barge poles is getting me
worked up again :drool:.
worked up again :drool:.
Infidel Castro
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Calm yourself lad! You\'re frothing all over my screen lol
You asking me, reverend? I have explained this more than once , but I guess I can do it again. I didn\'t try despite reading the rules. Yellow One was offered by the GW-guy to do this (despite the GW-guy knowing this was against the rules, as he later admitted, and as I pointed out later on the Russian forums quoted earlier). Therefore, both of us assumed it was acceptable, because it wouldn\'t cross our minds that a GW distributor would break the rules. Later, when he disappeared, and I had the chance to proxy-enter the mini on my own, I didn\'t do it -- because I read the rules then. Not before I took the miniature, after. And when I saw that it wasn\'t allowed, I informed Yellow One about it and didn\'t take even the miniature to Birmingham. I believe, this is elaborate enough.
As for your question, if the GW-guy hadn\'t disappeared, I would have passed the miniature to him (and he\'d proxy-enter it, I believe). Because, I repeat, at that point I couldn\'t assume that a GW distributor would breach the GD rules. Fortunately, that never happened, and I, left in charge, chose not take the case any further after reading the rules. And one of the reasons why I am concerned about what happened this year is that I was in a similar situation, but when I learned it was against the rules, I didn\'t do it. And this year\'s person did.
As for your question, if the GW-guy hadn\'t disappeared, I would have passed the miniature to him (and he\'d proxy-enter it, I believe). Because, I repeat, at that point I couldn\'t assume that a GW distributor would breach the GD rules. Fortunately, that never happened, and I, left in charge, chose not take the case any further after reading the rules. And one of the reasons why I am concerned about what happened this year is that I was in a similar situation, but when I learned it was against the rules, I didn\'t do it. And this year\'s person did.
Dammekkos2
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Do the non-UK events allow proxy entries? The rule has been the same for GD UK for as long as I can remember. It is a stupid rule designed to maximise ticket sales imo (if it wasn\'t included there would be a betetr quality of competition), but it is very well known. After all, who has not thought of sending an entry along with someone else? Everyone would like to do this.
I am suprised that people can claim to be ignorant of this rule. The guy who broke it should be disqualified, whether he pleads ignorance or not. Avelorn has been cheated out of his Silver.
I am suprised that people can claim to be ignorant of this rule. The guy who broke it should be disqualified, whether he pleads ignorance or not. Avelorn has been cheated out of his Silver.
Ebonbuddha
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That is the secret t immortality? Great! Now I have an excuse to buy more.
But seriously, how do you guys expect stuff to get fixed if every time someone mentions something you complain or make smart comments.
I could do one better and mention all of the self righteous would take a go at me for saying the same thing months ago. Hypocrisy?
But seriously, how do you guys expect stuff to get fixed if every time someone mentions something you complain or make smart comments.
I could do one better and mention all of the self righteous would take a go at me for saying the same thing months ago. Hypocrisy?
Dammekkos2
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Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
That is the secret t immortality? Great! Now I have an excuse to buy more.
But seriously, how do you guys expect stuff to get fixed if every time someone mentions something you complain or make smart comments.
I could do one better and mention all of the self righteous would take a go at me for saying the same thing months ago. Hypocrisy?
What are you talking about? I don\'t understand this post. People complaining about rules infractions will not prevent the rules being tightened and enforced, in fact the opposite is more the case. And what did you say months ago about this? I can\'t remember.
DrEvilmonki
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Originally posted by Dammekkos2
Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
That is the secret t immortality? Great! Now I have an excuse to buy more.
But seriously, how do you guys expect stuff to get fixed if every time someone mentions something you complain or make smart comments.
I could do one better and mention all of the self righteous would take a go at me for saying the same thing months ago. Hypocrisy?
What are you talking about? I don\'t understand this post. People complaining about rules infractions will not prevent the rules being tightened and enforced, in fact the opposite is more the case. And what did you say months ago about this? I can\'t remember.
He said when people complain or put down someone who points out a rules infraction as was done in the previous thread devoted to this conversation.
Avelorn\'s Bronze or Silver is pretty much irelevant - this issue would still have been a problem without a CMoN member being involved. Cheating is cheating and the cheat should be disqualified. Whether it is Margo, Natalya or Yellowone, or even Tom Jones, is also irelevant, but the fact that \'Tom\' is looking into it is a good thing- hopefully we see some resolution
Torn blue sky
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...And the revelation that Bill is indeed a Marmoset and therefore should be stripped of his silver...
Butter? Lassies? Bargepoles?
And the one thing that REALLY hurts my fragile little mind...Reverend has a girlfreind prettier than Margo and Natalya?
I ned to stick my head in the freezer...
Butter? Lassies? Bargepoles?
And the one thing that REALLY hurts my fragile little mind...Reverend has a girlfreind prettier than Margo and Natalya?
I ned to stick my head in the freezer...
Infidel Castro
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Aye, she\'s prettier because shes real and lives in the same house as me and I love her
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that Margo was willing to go along with it initially, which puts it on a footing with the previous incident however different the outcomes. Still, I\'m a bloke who doesn\'t particularly bother about the outcome - I just want to see pretty painty things! However, the idea of folk taking your miniatures along for you is a good one. What if I painted the most kick-arse piece of my life and by some amazing element of luck it was better than everyone else\'s ever and then someone chopped my ears and toes off and I was in hospital and my good Mam took it for me as I was destined to win...what then? Would they allow it due to the crazy circumstances?
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that Margo was willing to go along with it initially, which puts it on a footing with the previous incident however different the outcomes. Still, I\'m a bloke who doesn\'t particularly bother about the outcome - I just want to see pretty painty things! However, the idea of folk taking your miniatures along for you is a good one. What if I painted the most kick-arse piece of my life and by some amazing element of luck it was better than everyone else\'s ever and then someone chopped my ears and toes off and I was in hospital and my good Mam took it for me as I was destined to win...what then? Would they allow it due to the crazy circumstances?
Torn blue sky
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..Good point..extreme..but Valid none the less. I have to agree with revs magpie syndrome too. I couldnt\' give a rodents rectum If I actually lost!
As a footnote; Let\'s all be happy for reverend instead...And join me in my prayers that he never breeds
As a footnote; Let\'s all be happy for reverend instead...And join me in my prayers that he never breeds
Beelzebrush
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Hah! mere flesh wounds! This is the GD you are talking about... more important than life or death itself :moon:
Beelzebrush
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.... actually it\'s a bit of a daft toy painting competition that some people seem to take way too seriously
I am terribly sorry, but I cannot elaborate on the issue any clearer than I did before. However, I can do a brief summary just for you, reverend. I was willing to transfer the miniature from the painter to the GW-guy, PRIOR (that\'s before; not after) to learning the rules. WHEN I did learn them, it was my decision NOT to take case any further.
As for the case you described, I think SJB would have something to say here. He couldn\'t make it to the contest because of a health problem, and, well, he just didn\'t enter. Because GD is not just a competition of well-painted miniatures, but a competition of painted miniatures, which need to be BROUGHT to the venue by the painter him/herself. Yes, it involves buying the ticket, taking a coach/plane/helicopter to the venue and all. These are the rules, and if you don\'t agree with them -- well, don\'t enter.
@Avicenna: yes, that\'s exactly the point!
@Beelzebrush: this argument has been brought up before tons of times -- \"this is just toy soldiers not worth any serious attention\". But this is our hobby, and some people tend to be passionate about everything they do. Including hobbies they love.
@Beelzebrush: this argument has been brought up before tons of times -- \"this is just toy soldiers not worth any serious attention\". But this is our hobby, and some people tend to be passionate about everything they do. Including hobbies they love.
Beelzebrush
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Actually Margo, I\'m fairly passionate and meticulous about everything that I do too... However, I fail to see any point in getting so stressed out about a painting competition that holds no real significance. If I was you, I\'d take a step backwards from this and take a deep breath... it\'s really not worth getting upset about.
Also, I appreciate the fact that rules have been broken and that Sven - who made the effort (quite large effort too imo) to travel all the way to the UK only to be usurped by a figure that shouldn\'t actually have been there. Oddly, I haven\'t seen Sven reacting in a particularly upset manner (c\'est la vie?) ... probably because it\'s just a painting competition???
Also, I appreciate the fact that rules have been broken and that Sven - who made the effort (quite large effort too imo) to travel all the way to the UK only to be usurped by a figure that shouldn\'t actually have been there. Oddly, I haven\'t seen Sven reacting in a particularly upset manner (c\'est la vie?) ... probably because it\'s just a painting competition???
Avelorn
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@Avicenna: I agree.. that is my opinion too.
People are passionate in different ways. If people want to discuss this I think they should. If people get angry or annoyed.. saying \"it\'s only a hobby\" or say it\'s not important won\'t help. Believe me.. that\'s probably the best way of getting me annoyed.. even if I\'m not in the beginning. GD\'s are significant for some.. for others not at all.. and emotions are a part of life. Often better to act them out then to swallow them because that some people think they are unnecessary.
I don\'t think people need to shed tears on my account.. But instead of ignoring the problem and just say that it\'s all crap anyway.. to actually try to make a difference and to try to prevent cheating and corruption is a good thing.
Let\'s just say like this.. I wouldn\'t have gone there if I didn\'t have anything to enter. But at the same time.. I didn\'t go there for the competition. I\'m not happy with what has happened.. but I\'m not particulary upset either (if it\'s just this). My feelings for the GD as a competition is very ambivalent.. and would probably take a page to write, as it has much to do with what I\'ve felt earlier as a kid about it also. Therefor.. I both take the competition seriously and not.. I\'m sorry that I can\'t explain it better.
I went to the gamesday for meeting up with people, celebrating my hobby and try to take my first golden demon. I feel proud that I managed to finish 3 decent entries (even if it made me paint even on the hotel ) I\'m amazed that I managed to win a trophy.. I can\'t say what I had felt if I wouldn\'t have gotten a trophy at all.. maybe I\'d been more upset then? I KNOW I\'d probably been annoyed if I had stayed home and some other could enter despite not being there. So maybe ask Steve Buddle or Matt Parkes how they feel? But as Avicenna pointed out.. to this discussion it\'s irrelevant.
But just for the record:
:cussing:
People are passionate in different ways. If people want to discuss this I think they should. If people get angry or annoyed.. saying \"it\'s only a hobby\" or say it\'s not important won\'t help. Believe me.. that\'s probably the best way of getting me annoyed.. even if I\'m not in the beginning.
GD\'s are significant for some.. for others not at all.. and emotions are a part of life. Often better to act them out then to swallow them because that some people think they are unnecessary.I don\'t think people need to shed tears on my account.. But instead of ignoring the problem and just say that it\'s all crap anyway.. to actually try to make a difference and to try to prevent cheating and corruption is a good thing.
Let\'s just say like this.. I wouldn\'t have gone there if I didn\'t have anything to enter. But at the same time.. I didn\'t go there for the competition. I\'m not happy with what has happened.. but I\'m not particulary upset either (if it\'s just this). My feelings for the GD as a competition is very ambivalent.. and would probably take a page to write, as it has much to do with what I\'ve felt earlier as a kid about it also. Therefor.. I both take the competition seriously and not.. I\'m sorry that I can\'t explain it better.
I went to the gamesday for meeting up with people, celebrating my hobby and try to take my first golden demon.
I feel proud that I managed to finish 3 decent entries (even if it made me paint even on the hotel ) I\'m amazed that I managed to win a trophy.. I can\'t say what I had felt if I wouldn\'t have gotten a trophy at all.. maybe I\'d been more upset then? I KNOW I\'d probably been annoyed if I had stayed home and some other could enter despite not being there. So maybe ask Steve Buddle or Matt Parkes how they feel? But as Avicenna pointed out.. to this discussion it\'s irrelevant. But just for the record:
:cussing:
Beelzebrush, it might not hold any significance for you, but for some of us it is quite an important part of the hobby. And seeing that the rules of the, so to speak, event of the year were disregarded in such a manner is rather disturbing.
I am sure there must be something you find important and I don\'t. But that gives me no right to be judgemental and say that something I\'m not as passionate about as you are is not worth any attention whatsoever.
@Avelorn: I agree completely with everything you just said.
I am sure there must be something you find important and I don\'t. But that gives me no right to be judgemental and say that something I\'m not as passionate about as you are is not worth any attention whatsoever.
@Avelorn: I agree completely with everything you just said.
Beelzebrush
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I think you are reading an awful lot more into what I wrote than I actually did to be honest.
I didn\'t say it wasn\'t significant, I said it held no REAL significance ....except the kudos of winning. This obviously goes a lot deeper than my feeble brain can comprehend
I\'d be the first to admit that I really enjoy seeing the winning entries to GD... I\'d also be the first to admit that I find the post-competition post-mortem tedious and whiney.
@ Sven... that\'s the point I was making... you made the effort and travelled from Sweden to the UK only to be beaten by a rule-breaking entry... you have every right to be annoyed.
I\'ll shut up now as this is turning into another huge whining thread - besides which, I wasn\'t even there.... and don\'t in all honesty have a very strong opinion on the matter at all.
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I didn\'t say it wasn\'t significant, I said it held no REAL significance ....except the kudos of winning. This obviously goes a lot deeper than my feeble brain can comprehend
I\'d be the first to admit that I really enjoy seeing the winning entries to GD... I\'d also be the first to admit that I find the post-competition post-mortem tedious and whiney.
@ Sven... that\'s the point I was making... you made the effort and travelled from Sweden to the UK only to be beaten by a rule-breaking entry... you have every right to be annoyed.
I\'ll shut up now as this is turning into another huge whining thread - besides which, I wasn\'t even there.... and don\'t in all honesty have a very strong opinion on the matter at all.
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