Darkeden baby head

[Hinton]

I like it. I think it\'s very well done, very well painted and I voted it a 9.5.

And btw, I\'m a parent of a 9-year-old girl. Just noticed there was some discussion about being offended and being a parent. Personally (and this is just my opinion here), I don\'t see what all the hoopla is about.

Now, if it was real, then I would take issue with it and have a serious problem with it.

 

[supervike]

I actually think I moderated this picture when it first come out, and I thought \'ewww...creepy\'..

It never once \'registered\' that it would cause any sort of controversy.

I only became aware there was a growing controversy when discussing this elsewhere, and moderating comments.

Much ado about nothing, I think. While I appreciate people posting their comments and dislikes, it doesn\'t change my opinion.
I still think it is creepy...but it is very evocative.

Anyhow, long story short...I\'m a father, I am also very involved in my niece\'s and nephews lives...not once did I associate that with this. This is just a scary little model (very well crafted) to evoke creepiness and repulsiveness...I\'d say it worked!

 

[lee lowe]

I dont know if i should thank you or not Frenchkid for letting me know about this thread, lol.

Ok i\'ll say my piece.

When i first saw this mini I was shocked. Why was i shocked? becuase the first thought i had was why would anyone want to paint a dead baby\'s head?

I did not even think of the fact it was from a movie or anything else, i just saw dead baby\'s head.

But this is becuse I have had the sad experiance of seeing such a thing in real life. so yes it was the first thing I thought of.

Everyone relates things to something they know, it\'s what we do.

Yes your quite right, it is a brilliant paintjob, if it was not it might not have got the attention that it did. becuase it would not have looked so real.

I personnaly would not choose to paint such a thing as I belive there are better things to use my abilities on, but each to there own.

Where the artist went wrong, is that he did not explain what the miniature was of, what context. Instead of just \"baby Head\" leaving the door wide open for people to interprit the work in there own way, he should have done it for us by saying its from a movie or like.

Instead of the public seeing things from there perspective an artist is ment to try and make the public see things from his/hers.

I have had complaints from French people becuase I submitted a miniature of a german soldier. Why was that done? whats the difference?

It\'s a tough question when you talk about taste and limits, should we have them?

If not, does this mean we can submit images of the KKK, torture or a rape scene? these subjects have been coverd in movies.

Before we all stand there shouting artistic license think about the things that might upset you and how would you feel if someone submitted a miniature of it.

Think about what you submit, it might be just a model to you but to others it could mean more.

Happy painting!!!

 

[Ritual]

Originally posted by lee lowe
If not, does this mean we can submit images of the KKK, torture or a rape scene? these subjects have been coverd in movies.

Yes, I believe so! Each artist is responsible for whatever art he or she produces and displays to other people. But it is his or her right to do so, as it is everyone else\'s right to criticise the artist. Critique is fine, but call for censorship is not IMO! Even uncomfortable expressions are allowed in a free society. But you are responsible for whatever you do!

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Originally posted by Ritual

Originally posted by lee lowe
If not, does this mean we can submit images of the KKK, torture or a rape scene? these subjects have been coverd in movies.

Yes, I believe so! Each artist is responsible for whatever art he or she produces and displays to other people. But it is his or her right to do so, as it is everyone else\'s right to criticise the artist. Critique is fine, but call for censorship is not IMO! Even uncomfortable expressions are allowed in a free society. But you are responsible for whatever you do!

To give an example of this, one only has to look at Bob Travis piece called Strange Fruit which depicts the lynching of a black man in the South in the early 1900\'s. The diorama was inspired by a song by Billy Holiday called Strange fruit. This was the Best of show piece from the MFCA Show in 2006. Yes I do find the scene difficult to look at, maybe even distasteful but do I think it should be seen? Yes I do.

 

[uberdark]

Originally posted by Dragon Forge Design

Originally posted by Ritual

Originally posted by lee lowe
If not, does this mean we can submit images of the KKK, torture or a rape scene? these subjects have been coverd in movies.

Yes, I believe so! Each artist is responsible for whatever art he or she produces and displays to other people. But it is his or her right to do so, as it is everyone else\'s right to criticise the artist. Critique is fine, but call for censorship is not IMO! Even uncomfortable expressions are allowed in a free society. But you are responsible for whatever you do!

To give an example of this, one only has to look at Bob Travis piece called Strange Fruit which depicts the lynching of a black man in the South in the early 1900\'s. The diorama was inspired by a song by Billy Holiday called Strange fruit. This was the Best of show piece from the MFCA Show in 2006. Yes I do find the scene difficult to look at, maybe even distasteful but do I think it should be seen? Yes I do.

ok how about this then dragon forge.

what is the significance of seeing a dead baby? do we need to see it? just something to consider.

btw i am playing devils advocate here, i am actually for having the piece on line and agree with ritual on his previous comments.

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Originally posted by uberdark

Originally posted by Dragon Forge Design

Originally posted by Ritual

Originally posted by lee lowe
If not, does this mean we can submit images of the KKK, torture or a rape scene? these subjects have been coverd in movies.

Yes, I believe so! Each artist is responsible for whatever art he or she produces and displays to other people. But it is his or her right to do so, as it is everyone else\'s right to criticise the artist. Critique is fine, but call for censorship is not IMO! Even uncomfortable expressions are allowed in a free society. But you are responsible for whatever you do!

To give an example of this, one only has to look at Bob Travis piece called Strange Fruit which depicts the lynching of a black man in the South in the early 1900\'s. The diorama was inspired by a song by Billy Holiday called Strange fruit. This was the Best of show piece from the MFCA Show in 2006. Yes I do find the scene difficult to look at, maybe even distasteful but do I think it should be seen? Yes I do.

ok how about this then dragon forge.

what is the significance of seeing a dead baby? do we need to see it? just something to consider.

btw i am playing devils advocate here, i am actually for having the piece on line and agree with ritual on his previous comments.

Uber, It\'s not a dead baby..its a piece of clay with paint on it. Really... think about it.

Who says its dead..looks alive to me.. looks like it just had a go at a jar of strawberry jam.

When I first saw the piece, I tought it was a goolish fat mans face. A baby was the last thing that registered in my mind.

In the end its art, it got the desired effect from the artist. Many love it, some go eww..others hate it. Ive made many trips to the Tate Modern in London and theres many pieces in their that in all honesty I think are nothing more than trash.. but I still think they should be there.

As to Orky Dave, Im sorry for my origional post, I didnt mean that anyone should quit discussing anything and yes I feel that everyones opinion should be heard. I also very much value free speach.. and the persons free speach I value the most in this discussion is the origional artists.

 

[freakinacage]

look at the eyes, he ain\'t dead, he\'s hungry for flesh! zombie baby. i\'m sticking to it!

 

[Zordana]

I wanna know where the heck \"stillborn baby\" came from...

Last I checked stillborn babies don\'t come out looking like they just tore apart someones jugular.

When I looked at this the first thing I thought was \"Ooh zombie baby!\" *shrug*

I wonder... if the title didn\'t include the word \'baby\' would people have cared this much? Hell it doesn\'t even look much like a baby to me.

 

[supervike]

Yeah, what she said.

 

[Hygmer]

This site is dedicated to painted mini\'s. I\'m sure some will be disturbed by a dead baby head painted to that standard, but on the other hand, I get disturbed at all this NMM nonsense, but they are allowed to post models with NMM anyways...

Seriously, dont like, dont view, it takes ½ second to press Ctrl+W to close the window/tab. So it can\'t be THAT bad now, can it.

That model is a painted mini, and a damn good one, got my 2:d 10 ever. Really, sometimes you just have to live with the world not being picture-perfect.

 

[Darkeden]

Hello. I read all your comments. So I will you my opinion on this thing. First of all I apologize for people that it schocked, it\'s not for thta reason I posted it on the site. And sorry for my bad english.
This head was mine when Iwas young , it\'s Ok but it\'s not the matter so i wnated to paint it and I love horror film so I try this kind of paintjob. For me it\'s not an image of a dead baby it\'s just a piece to have fun (ok, I have fun in a strange way...). So I posted it because I think it will inspirating other people who like the same thing as me. The fact is taht whatever you do there is always people who are agree and people who are desagree. So I think we can show it because we se horror film, we see news on TV we talk of freezes baby (in france), but this thing IS NOT REAL AND DO NOT REFER TO REALITY, your baby don\'t look like thisn chuchy don\'t look like baby too and we can find many example. So I think it\'s ok for me. I known that it may cause trouble to people but no more than in the all day life with all the bad thing all around us. But that i don\'t understand it the sniping.... My mini receive a lot of 1 just to descredit it , just because people doesn\'t like it: i say that is unrespectfull, I don\'t like naked girls so I don\'t vote, I ignore everyone post that he want because it\'s not real , it\'s not happy slapping , there are some stuff what are really dangerous and serious. So I made it for fun because special effects make me laugh and I was thinking that otehr people like it too. But it\'s very sad that people who hate it spit on my work. You find that I doens\'t respect you but in doing that you don\'t too. I let people doing everything they want with her mini so why you did\'nt do the same, I think that is democracy and civism. As you can shut down your TV, you can shut down your computer. So it\'s all what I want to say, sorry for the offense, but I will continue to do what I like to do because it\'s your hobby and because we have all a different way to see thing and I cannot do anything to change that. It\'s not reality so I have fun, I don\'t post a shot of my little sister after a beat her...It\'s the same for nazi\'s mini. It\'s a part of our history, but those we painted nazi\' mini have a reason, it\'s not a reason to say it\'s not respectfull, it\'s not art , it\'s not a nazi message it\'s mini. Like death, guard, like nurgle , like spanish conqueror war is in our history we all know that, and so what....
So make mini of all kind, just make mini that you like and don\'t look at you don\'t like.
Bye
BYe
Rem

 

[DrEvilmonki]

I gave it a 9 as I wasn\'t convinced about the eyes.

Other than that I am another in the I have 2 boys - get over it camp. This has as much to do with actual dead babies as Rambo does with actual war.

 

[generulpoleaxe]

fully understand what you mean.

i think it was the title of the miniature that got people thinking that it was a dead baby.

respect for coming in here and explaining mate.

 

[tooshy]

Hmmm.....well I don\'t like the piece personally, but I wouldn\'t stop it being shown here.

I liken it to going to visit an art gallery. One minute I\'m looking at the Mona Lisa, the next, a piece by Damien Hurst. I don\'t suppose Mr Hurst or Darkeden go out of their way to shock - its just what they like or appreciate as art and both put in a lot of work to create it. If I don\'t like it, then I walk past....simple as that

 

[bullfrog]

This debate is a tough one and I can understand the moderator\'s problem of imposing censorship on something that is not illegal but where do they draw the line with bad taste? While my personal opinion strays towards the argument that this particular mini is in bad taste I can see it from both sides.
The fact that I immediately thought it was repulsive should be a testament to the artist\'s skill and I will have to give them that, however, having resuscitated babies at work I chose not to linger too long to have a real good look.
It may just be a painted piece of Fimo as has been stated but the problem is with what it represents and I do agree with the statment that the artist would have know the controversy they would create.
But what a genius move....slop something up that most rational adults would find offensive, stand back and watch the proverbial fur fly. Publicity. Publicity. Publicity.
Regardless it must be allowed to stay as is. There is no point putting an icon in place of the thumbnail telling us what is behind it as it is like a big red button that says DON\'T PUSH. Most people will feel the need to look out of curiosity and still complain anyway. Hence it solves nothing.
I am able to seperate fiction from reality so I don\'t use the argument about the violent 40k world. An Ork holding a severed head is not painted to look like a real dead baby. Moot point.