freakinacage
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you say that to the black knight in monty python!!
I didn\'t wanna bring it up, BUT...
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you say that to the black knight in monty python!!
Shawn R. L.
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so to stop people killing each other give everyone guns.... [/quote]
As I pointed out earlier to Rev. Black and white thinking dosent serve well. I never said everyone. If even a few had been armed at VT this thread might not have even started.
so to stop people killing each other give everyone guns.... [/quote]
As I pointed out earlier to Rev. Black and white thinking dosent serve well. I never said everyone. If even a few had been armed at VT this thread might not have even started.
Originally posted by dauber22
By the way, I NEVER find your comments to be smugOn the contrary, I find your comments to be well thought out and quite heartfelt. I respect that very much, even when we disagree.
now thats something i can DEFINITELY get on board with. cheers to anders
:drunk:
Infidel Castro
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Bad form or not, you use the line frequently here. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Or the gun in this case. If you\'re happy to tell all and sundry about your condition, don\'t be so upset when someone points out that your views aren\'t exactly welcome in light of that condition. Your approach was very black and white. I prefer to see the world as colour, lots of it, all mixed up. I don\'t regret what I said as you\'re quite happy to flash it around.
Shawn R. L.
New member
If you cruise around throwing around thorny hand grenades I may just say something about it. It does tend to reduce the validity of what you say when you sink to cheap shots. If you cant distinguish between me discussing my disability and what is being discussed here....well cant help you there.
Evil Bones
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OK....my quick 2 cents:bouncy:
my personal belief (being a TEXAN & a MARINE may make me onesided)
that any person over the age of 18,
with proper training should be allowed to
carry a concealed firearm. Concealed firearms should not be allowed in any establishment that allows alcohol consumption on premises, in banks, and state or federal buildings. (these are already listed as banned places to carry a concealed firearm by law)
i believe if you are over 18 you should be able to carry a firearm any other place including a school.
at this college and a few other school shootings, i believe if students or teachers (in fear of their life or the life or of there students) had been allowed to carry a permitted concealed firearm, that maybe 2 or 3 people would have been killed before the shooter was killed.
when recieving a concealed firearms license in Texas i had to go through a 2 day course with the sheriff department, have a ATF background check and be fingerprinted. the course covered gun safety, and state and federal law. we where also taught that carrying a concealed firearm is not a right but a privelage, & that if we where not in a fear of life situation do not draw your firearm. drawing a firearm in any case other than that stated above is assault with a deadly weapon.
MY point is most people who legally carry firearms in the states are law abiding citezens and should be allowed to carry a firearm.
most people will not want to act hostile towards another person if you are wondering if the person you are about to attack has a firearm or not.
like i said just my 2 cents.
my personal belief (being a TEXAN & a MARINE may make me onesided)
that any person over the age of 18,
with proper training should be allowed to
carry a concealed firearm. Concealed firearms should not be allowed in any establishment that allows alcohol consumption on premises, in banks, and state or federal buildings. (these are already listed as banned places to carry a concealed firearm by law)
i believe if you are over 18 you should be able to carry a firearm any other place including a school.
at this college and a few other school shootings, i believe if students or teachers (in fear of their life or the life or of there students) had been allowed to carry a permitted concealed firearm, that maybe 2 or 3 people would have been killed before the shooter was killed.
when recieving a concealed firearms license in Texas i had to go through a 2 day course with the sheriff department, have a ATF background check and be fingerprinted. the course covered gun safety, and state and federal law. we where also taught that carrying a concealed firearm is not a right but a privelage, & that if we where not in a fear of life situation do not draw your firearm. drawing a firearm in any case other than that stated above is assault with a deadly weapon.
MY point is most people who legally carry firearms in the states are law abiding citezens and should be allowed to carry a firearm.
most people will not want to act hostile towards another person if you are wondering if the person you are about to attack has a firearm or not.
like i said just my 2 cents.
Infidel Castro
New member
Now you\'re beginning to get under my skin. Are you suggesting that someone who suffers from depression doesn\'t lean towards dark thoughts? I didn\'t take any cheap shot other than point out that your well-advertised issues, coupled with a worldview that would see every civilian armed just in case, causes concern in me. I\'m not going to invalidate your viewpoint in light of your condition - I\'m arguing against it, so I\'ve clearly acknowledged it.
And I think to try and make me look a bit of a monster for even raising your condition smacks of preciousness. You bring it up frequently, yet when I attach it to an argument against your viewpoint I\'m deemed to be playing to bad form. Bullshit frankly. Cheapshot, my arse.
Infidel Castro
New member
Originally posted by Evil Bones
OK....my quick 2 cents:bouncy:
my personal belief (being a TEXAN & a MARINE may make me onesided)
that any person over the age of 18,
with proper training should be allowed to
carry a concealed firearm. Concealed firearms should not be allowed in any establishment that allows alcohol consumption on premises...
like i said just my 2 cents.
So we\'d all pick up our guns on the way out of the pub? The outside of the pub where most fights happen? Shit, give that man a badge! lol
fortunesfool
New member
Originally posted by reverend
Originally posted by Evil Bones
OK....my quick 2 cents:bouncy:
my personal belief (being a TEXAN & a MARINE may make me onesided)
that any person over the age of 18,
with proper training should be allowed to
carry a concealed firearm. Concealed firearms should not be allowed in any establishment that allows alcohol consumption on premises...
like i said just my 2 cents.
So we\'d all pick up our guns on the way out of the pub? The outside of the pub where most fights happen? Shit, give that man a badge! lol
Instead we could just ban pubs. Or even better, alcohol. Sounds like a plan to me.
(Although I\'m kidding, I\'m also not kidding. I just can\'t understand why anyone would ever touch the stuff. But that\'s another topic.)
Beelzebrush
Active member
I couldn\'t agree more..... well, this morning anyway
Even though most will read this and just shrug it off..its worth a try
**the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.**
If you are not familiar with that, that is a line from the second amendment to the constitution of the United States Of America.
To those of you americans on here:
For those of you that think this is aright that we can just throw away for some moral beleif, i am truly disgusted and dissapointed in you. You same infact do enjoy your freedom of religion, and your freedom of speech, and your freedom of the press. The funny thing is, the second amendment is the only thing we have that protects those rights..
Yeah it protects it...see..remember that part about arming the general public so that if this country is put under rule by a tyranical leader(such as the british were pre american revolution) and were to strip us of the rights in which we are intitled as americans to have..well americans..its our job, to overthrow that government and establish a new one...how do you defeat a tyrant\'s army? with an armed people,thats how. That is what the second amendment is for. Plain and simple, To take that away, you take away our saftey net against a tyranical leader. this is not a question of morals, this is a question of american rights. Rights that men and women, everyday die for. and by you complaining, and urging to strip those rights from the american people, you are offering a big red white and blue slap to the face of the american service men and women.
To the rest of the world here on CMON :
I think it\'s funny that american values and rights are constantly questioned and rediculed and not taken seriously..at the end of the day, those rights and values are the same that some of the things american that american soldiers carried when it came to save your country\'s ass in world conflicts. e.g (WWI, WWII)
Oh yeah, another thing, when it comes time for someone to be saved, who does the world call? the same country that they cant help but bitch at all the other times...(usa)
I dont think that this incident is one that you can compare your countries crime rates vs ours, i dont think this is an incident in which you can share your countries beleifs vs ours, this is not an argument, but a statement, and one to be taken seriously. People in america have the right to bear arms. That is the simple fact of it. if you dont like it, wel im sorry but thats the way it is.
I still love you all! :beer:
**the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.**
If you are not familiar with that, that is a line from the second amendment to the constitution of the United States Of America.
To those of you americans on here:
For those of you that think this is aright that we can just throw away for some moral beleif, i am truly disgusted and dissapointed in you. You same infact do enjoy your freedom of religion, and your freedom of speech, and your freedom of the press. The funny thing is, the second amendment is the only thing we have that protects those rights..
Yeah it protects it...see..remember that part about arming the general public so that if this country is put under rule by a tyranical leader(such as the british were pre american revolution) and were to strip us of the rights in which we are intitled as americans to have..well americans..its our job, to overthrow that government and establish a new one...how do you defeat a tyrant\'s army? with an armed people,thats how. That is what the second amendment is for. Plain and simple, To take that away, you take away our saftey net against a tyranical leader. this is not a question of morals, this is a question of american rights. Rights that men and women, everyday die for. and by you complaining, and urging to strip those rights from the american people, you are offering a big red white and blue slap to the face of the american service men and women.
To the rest of the world here on CMON
:I think it\'s funny that american values and rights are constantly questioned and rediculed and not taken seriously..at the end of the day, those rights and values are the same that some of the things american that american soldiers carried when it came to save your country\'s ass in world conflicts. e.g (WWI, WWII)
Oh yeah, another thing, when it comes time for someone to be saved, who does the world call? the same country that they cant help but bitch at all the other times...(usa)
I dont think that this incident is one that you can compare your countries crime rates vs ours, i dont think this is an incident in which you can share your countries beleifs vs ours, this is not an argument, but a statement, and one to be taken seriously. People in america have the right to bear arms. That is the simple fact of it. if you dont like it, wel im sorry but thats the way it is.
I still love you all! :beer:
Infidel Castro
New member
Originally posted by Recoil889
To the rest of the world here on CMON
I think it\'s funny that american values and rights are constantly questioned and rediculed and not taken seriously..at the end of the day, those rights and values are the same that some of the things american that american soldiers carried when it came to save your country\'s ass in world conflicts. e.g (WWI, WWII)
I still love you all! :beer:
Mate, I think you\'ll find you never \'saved out arses\' as such. You just aided and sped along the outcome. Your country was clever enough though to realise it could make some big bucks out of it. I believe we only just finished the repayments to the states.
But hey, \'we\' love you too :beer:
Legacy Account
Active member
Originally posted by finn17
...some just enjoy arguing for argument\'s sake. It\'s cathartic...
No we don\'t. And arguing isn\'t cathartic.....
:innocent:
I\'m off to change my trousers after just pissing myself at Mr Recoil\'s comments!
No Such Agency
New member
The 2nd hasn\'t protected anyone from losing their rights over the last 5 years. Anyone who\'d have tried would have been labeled a \"terrorist\", likely a \"dead terrorist\". I really DO understand the argument behind the 2nd - that the population should not be helpless sheep. But some people should fight harder in other ways to keep their rights, if they want them so much. If it comes to a shootout with the government, that should be a last resort after every peaceful (and more effective) method has failed.
Oddly, I didn\'t see the NRA protesting the PATRIOT Act... ???
I think you will find few arguments that will make the rest of the world stop listening to you faster. Seriously, don\'t say that, it makes you sound like you learned history by watching \"Band of Brothers\".To the rest of the world here on CMON
I think it\'s funny that american values and rights are constantly questioned and rediculed and not taken seriously..at the end of the day, those rights and values are the same that some of the things american that american soldiers carried when it came to save your country\'s ass in world conflicts. e.g (WWI, WWII)
Don\'t try that one either either... people have noticed your CIA advisors tend to show up as well, \"advising\" some of the worst despots...
That I do agree with. I don\'t think it\'s possible to directly compare two cultures and declare some differences to be due to a small set of, or one, variable.
Originally posted by reverend
Originally posted by Recoil889
To the rest of the world here on CMON
I think it\'s funny that american values and rights are constantly questioned and rediculed and not taken seriously..at the end of the day, those rights and values are the same that some of the things american that american soldiers carried when it came to save your country\'s ass in world conflicts. e.g (WWI, WWII)
I still love you all! :beer:
Mate, I think you\'ll find you never \'saved out arses\' as such. You just aided and sped along the outcome. Your country was clever enough though to realise it could make some big bucks out of it. I believe we only just finished the repayments to the states.
But hey, \'we\' love you too :beer:
What he said. 8 American pilots in the Battle of Britain, 6 of which were killed in thier first dogfight. Between Tommy and Ivan, Jerry was on the run along time before Joe turned up. And SELLING us weapons and jeeps, which we have only just finished paying for but then GIVING the Taliban exactly the same stuff! And lets not forget it was freedom loving, stars and stripes waving Americans who funded the IRA. The organisation that got its political message across by putting nail bombs in Marks and Spencers and then cried like bitches when the SAS kicked the shit out of them. And dont get me started on the yanks \"contribution\" to WW1...
vincegamer
Active member
Possibly true, but a red herring argument.
It assumes some of the students shot would have WANTED to carry guns.
It\'s a right to bear arms, not a requirement.
I think its safe to say Britain would NOT have lasted through WW2 without the help of the US. The converse is true as well. To say America did it only for the money is probably one of the most insulting things I\'ve heard on this board. Japan declared war on the US, and Hitler followed suit several days later.
We (the Brits, and the US) fought and won the war together, and to say otherwise is poppycock and revisionist history.
We (the Brits, and the US) fought and won the war together, and to say otherwise is poppycock and revisionist history.
