I didn\'t wanna bring it up, BUT...

[GreenOne]

@ Dauber: I would not want to witness the extent of your vocabulary if you did takes it personally.

@Philo: Maybe the stereotype was entirely made up by the northern media, maybe there are no such people then

@Vince: Little bit of both actually... There actually ARE such people and they DO influence politics in the states. I don\'t consider it a reason to hate the general population of these places. I did mention I was generalising in the original post and upon re-reading I don\'t see where stated that every southerner is like that nor that the intent was so obviously to insult any perticular group, it was more about the use of religious belief to promote ways that go against what the religion says to be promoting than a geo-political argument.
The rest goes on in a typical forum argumentation way.
Otherwise, I would just have bumped into the discussion saying southerner are evil which would have been totally off-topic.

I may be biased, ignorant, insulting, and spewing putrid biggotry; but I am surely not off-topic.

 

[Talion]

When people quote the 2nd amendment of the constitution. This:

\"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.\"

Isn\'t it only talking about militia. i.e. People who are used to defend their country keeping weapons, and not every man and his dog.

My interpretation of it is unless you\'re defending your country from another invading one, then you have no right to have a gun.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by GreenOne
it was more about the use of religious belief to promote ways that go against what the religion says to be promoting than a geo-political argument.

What do you perceive Christianity is supposed to be promoting? (BTW I wasn\'t offended, but I have yet to meet those types)

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Talion
When people quote the 2nd amendment of the constitution. This:

\"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.\"

Isn\'t it only talking about militia. i.e. People who are used to defend their country keeping weapons, and not every man and his dog.

My interpretation of it is unless you\'re defending your country from another invading one, then you have no right to have a gun.

Thanks for your Welsh interpretation. Many of our nation\'s greatest disagreed. See my signature for just one example.

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by Talion
\"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.\"

\"To keep\" are the key words.
Even though you may not be in a militia, you may have to form one, then where would you get the guns from?

@GreenOne, I took no offense. I take more offense at Hollywood and the media perpetuating the stereotype.

 

[GreenOne]

@Philo: Obviously, you are not missing anything.
I can\'t really say what christianity is supposed to be promoting, It\'s almost 2000 years old and been so severely messed up since the beginning I would probably be mistating something and causing the argument to extend even more and I\'ve had enough for today.
I can recall something about \"Thou shalt not kill\" and christianity finding a lot of reasons to kill a lot of people tourough history...

 

[matty1001]

Burn the heretics! :beer:

 

[Evil Dave]

Originally posted by GreenOne
@Philo: Obviously, you are not missing anything.
I can\'t really say what christianity is supposed to be promoting, It\'s almost 2000 years old and been so severely messed up since the beginning I would probably be mistating something and causing the argument to extend even more and I\'ve had enough for today.
I can recall something about \"Thou shalt not kill\" and christianity finding a lot of reasons to kill a lot of people tourough history...

Actually, there has been debate that \"Thou shall not kill\" was mistranslated in copying the bible into English, and that the original was \"Thou shall not commit murder\".
Subtle, but vastly different.

 

[Talion]

Originally posted by GreenOne
@Philo: Obviously, you are not missing anything.
I can\'t really say what christianity is supposed to be promoting, It\'s almost 2000 years old and been so severely messed up since the beginning I would probably be mistating something and causing the argument to extend even more and I\'ve had enough for today.
I can recall something about \"Thou shalt not kill\" and christianity finding a lot of reasons to kill a lot of people tourough history...

I agree...Christianity has always been a religion of......either turn to Christianity or we\'ll kill you all for being heritics.

Just look at Roman, Greek gods......a lot of sacred places were demolished and Chritian places of worship erected in their place.

Everything that was not christian was classed as the work of the devil, and destroyed.

 

[freakinacage]

Originally posted by supervike
What about this one then

Leviticus 3:19

Thou Shalt arm thineself in case of the Monkey Rebellion. For surely, thoust who has slipped upon the peel knowst the true agenda. And that agenda is fecal throwing and coveting our women. Amen.

i thought it only said that in MY bible!!

 

[GreenOne]

I think to shoot the heretics would be more in line with current topic :beer:

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Talion

Originally posted by GreenOne
@Philo: Obviously, you are not missing anything.
I can\'t really say what christianity is supposed to be promoting, It\'s almost 2000 years old and been so severely messed up since the beginning I would probably be mistating something and causing the argument to extend even more and I\'ve had enough for today.
I can recall something about \"Thou shalt not kill\" and christianity finding a lot of reasons to kill a lot of people tourough history...

I agree...Christianity has always been a religion of......either turn to Christianity or we\'ll kill you all for being heritics.

Just look at Roman, Greek gods......a lot of sacred places were demolished and Chritian places of worship erected in their place.

Everything that was not christian was classed as the work of the devil, and destroyed.

Much of this was a direct result of the Romans themselves. Christianity was declared the state religion of Rome.

 

[Talion]

Originally posted by philologus
Much of this was a direct result of the Romans themselves. Christianity was declared the state religion of Rome.

I don\'t deny that.....but then all other relgions were considered false, and destroyed.......Christianity forces itself on others those who didn\'t convert were killed.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Evil Dave

Originally posted by GreenOne
@Philo: Obviously, you are not missing anything.
I can\'t really say what christianity is supposed to be promoting, It\'s almost 2000 years old and been so severely messed up since the beginning I would probably be mistating something and causing the argument to extend even more and I\'ve had enough for today.
I can recall something about \"Thou shalt not kill\" and christianity finding a lot of reasons to kill a lot of people tourough history...

Actually, there has been debate that \"Thou shall not kill\" was mistranslated in copying the bible into English, and that the original was \"Thou shall not commit murder\".
Subtle, but vastly different.

This is true.
The Hebrew word is ratsach \"to murder.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Talion

Originally posted by philologus
Much of this was a direct result of the Romans themselves. Christianity was declared the state religion of Rome.

I don\'t deny that.....but then all other relgions were considered false, and destroyed.......Christianity forces itself on others those who didn\'t convert were killed.

2 problems:
1. Christians forced themselves on the Roman Empire? I guess Christians really are amred and dangerous. Secondly, you use the present tense \"forces\". This implies that it still occurs. Where?

 

[GreenOne]

Religion as a whole is a powerful tool of control
that has from all time used by evil people to further their own cause, by abusing people\'s faith.
Not only the christian, every religion was either born, or propagated in a huge bloodbath... Hinduism and Buddism inclusively, tough most people would believe the opposite.
Religion, war an politics are always linked, even in todays events.

 

[Talion]

Originally posted by philologus
2 problems:
1. Christians forced themselves on the Roman Empire? I guess Christians really are amred and dangerous. Secondly, you use the present tense \"forces\". This implies that it still occurs. Where?

Are you honestly telling me that christianity has never forced itself on people!!!

Rome was delcared to be christian by the emporer.......they then proceeded to destroy all the other religions that existed in Rome. Sating Christianity to be the only true religion.

As for be forced down peoples throats now............I just have to walk through my town to find some religious guy yabbering on about Jesus.......I don\'t get any other religion knocking at my door except ones to tell me about Jesus.

I always find it funny in films and in real life that when a place is haunted only a christian can exorcise the ghost.......good job all ghosts are christians.

 

[vincegamer]

Originally posted by Evil Dave
Actually, there has been debate that \"Thou shall not kill\" was mistranslated in copying the bible into English, and that the original was \"Thou shall not commit murder\".
Subtle, but vastly different.

From a class I took in college, the prof told us that the Hebrew language had two words for kill.
1 meant killing outsiders
2 meant killing other Isrealites (what we usually translate as murder).
It was the 2nd that was used in the bible.

Talion, a good example might be Serbia.

 

[GreenOne]

Good thing the legal version of murder is a little
larger, I know plenty of non israelite I could murder and get away with it under the eye of god.

 

[funnymouth]

so, why all the talk of the old testament? if were talking christianity, lets talk jesus. i think he was quite clear in his belief that killing people, for revenge, justice, or whatever, was wrong.