It was touching to see

Flashman14

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the small tribute to Ray Charles but there wasn\'t one for Ronald Reagan.

Are there no fans here? To me he was an interesting mix of great good as well as great evil but mostly I thought it was odd no one wanted to pick that topic up. Even if he was a Rebublican he was at least a U.S. President - a position held by only 43 men ...

Love \'im or hate \'im I give a moment to reflection ....
 

Primeval

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I didn\'t bother because the media has already been non-stop about it. I am in no way trivializing the pain that his family is in or even the good things he did (and there was plenty of bad too) but this reminds me of when Richard Nixon died - he went from being at best a neutrally thought of president (by the media at least) to a saint.
 

Dragonsreach

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Not to trivialise his death, which is a great loss to his family, but over in the UK there is a great deal of mixed feeling regarding him, and his term of office.
At the same time as you had a Republican Govt we had a very right wing Conservative govt, lead by Maggie Thatcher.

Americans may not realise just how worried the rest of the world was at times due to these two holding the reins. But there were times when the threat of Nuclear war seemed all to real.

With 20 years hindsight some people may feel that those times were \"Great\", but in this country that political era of the conservatives is equated to Greed, Avarice and the increasing gulf between upper and lower echelons of society.

[/ political mode off]

My point of view about the loss of Ray Charles is simple.
His life has ended, but his music lives on.
We will be in his debt for that!
 

CaptNarcissisto

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I considered starting a post, but figured it might just become a large forum for political criticism. It seemed to be a sad week in this country, and I thought the three services, which I watched, were well done and touching (although the news coverage was a bit much). Whatever the political beliefs it\'s hard to argue against Reagan being the most beloved President since Kennedy, evidenced by this weeks outpouring of affection, not to mention his absolute landslide victories in \'80 and especially \'84 when he won 49 of 50 states. :(
 

Sand Rat

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While I miss the heady days of the Regan administration, I\'ve got to agree with Capt N - I didnt start a thread on Mr. Regan because of a desire not to start a political argument here on the threads.

Having said that, one of the things I feel made Regan so popular in the last week was the simple fact he said it was ok for Americans to be proud of being Americans again.
 
C

col kurtz

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Mike

That time over here in the UK, that \'fear\' was very relevent to me; I kind of remember Frankie goes to Hollywood\'s \'two tribes\' video that summed it up at the time (the wrestling). That and the movie, Threads, I think it was called, shot in and around Sheffied, about the aftermath of a nuclear strike. I was only 15, but very, very scared!
 

Braveheart712

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Thank God for Reagan

I don\'t post very often, only when I feel I really have something important to say. I disliked Ronald Reagan when he first took office but over the years I came to respect and love the man once hated by myself for purely selfish reason. I believe with all my heart that Ronald Reagan deserves all the praise and respect that he has recieved in the past few day for the following reasons...

1) Ronald Reagan took office after the Carter administration, I time when our poilical direction was to creat a \"special program\", raise atxes and throw money at any problem that occured. Out country was in the midst of an ecomonic depression created by this policy. Like it or not Ronald Reagan lowered taxes and let Americans control their own wealth, or lack there of. The do nothings and slackers in this country hated him for it but he made a stand and stuck to his principles.

2) Principles, there is a word that we dont hear in politics now! Reagan had principles and morals. He believed in monogamy, God, and the basic good in everyone. He used the Oval Ofiice to conduct government business, not receive oral favors from fat slutty interns. I do not want to say he was perfect but he was a man of character and executed both his terms in a way fitting the leader of the free world, not the manager of a whorehouse.

3) Reagan ended the cold war. Yes I remember the threat of nuclear war, but through his negotiations and the support of Margaret Thatcher, communism ran out of money and the big Red war machine ran out of gas. Ronald Reagan strenghtened our military, which now is used to police the world. ( I really do not agree with the way the US military is used now, but that is for another time to debate )

4) Lastly I agree with you 1000% Steelcult, Ronald Reagan made it good to be an American again. He never kissed the liberal media\'s ass and confronted them head on when the tried to twist his words and actions. Now day\'s our corrupt media thrives on breeding deceit and disention in our county by constantly putting a negative spin on every story so they can sell papers and advertising time. Mr Reagan, you may be gone but we will never forget. I am proud of my nation and the fact I live in this great country that you helped create. Thank you for leaving your mark and beliving in the goodness of us all!

\"Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong...\"-Dennis Miller
 

Chrispy

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darthfoley

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For an alternative viewpoint:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/11/media/index_np.html

Note: this article does not necessarily reflect my own opinion, which is: a successful president and a good man, whose numerous failings have been forgiven in the process of mythologizing him.
 

BrianFowler713

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\"Liberal Media?\" What the hell is this crap?

Like Fox News? Like Rupert Murdoch & Rush Limbaugh? Like the Washington Times? Your \"liberal\" media spent eight years crucifying a democratic president and the worst they could accuse him of was a dalliance, Yet when you americans think of scandal in the White House, do you think of Bush Sr pardoning perpetrators of the Iran Contra scandal? Do you think of Bush Jr BSssing everyone about Iraq Having WMDs while N Korea is blatantly testing Nukes? Or do you think about some damn dirty dress?

This is you \"Liberal Media\" at work.
 

No Such Agency

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Oh god, please don\'t have a political flamewar here, I see enough of that at Fark. You\'re never going to agree, it\'ll be blah blah ended the cold war blah nicaraguan atrocities blah for ever.

Hell, I think the guy should have been hauled in front of the International Court of justice along with Pinochet, and even I\'m sick of arguing about it. The question we need to answer here is, where can I find a mini of him? And what\'s the best way to simulate a pile of jelly beans for the base?
 

finn17

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NSA speaks sense, heed the words of NSA

I was just about to wade in with my viewpoint when I read NSAs post.

You\'re quite right Mr Agency, politics and religion aren\'t really suitable topics for CMON.

Good grief! there are enough sites where such topics are welcome...

And, as you correctly point out, no one is ever going to agree...:flip:
 

darthfoley

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Originally posted by BrianFowler713
Like Fox News? Like Rupert Murdoch & Rush Limbaugh? Like the Washington Times? Your \"liberal\" media spent eight years crucifying a democratic president and the worst they could accuse him of was a dalliance, Yet when you americans think of scandal in the White House, do you think of Bush Sr pardoning perpetrators of the Iran Contra scandal? Do you think of Bush Jr BSssing everyone about Iraq Having WMDs while N Korea is blatantly testing Nukes? Or do you think about some damn dirty dress?

This is you \"Liberal Media\" at work.

Somebody needs a nap.

And now we know why nobody had posted anything about Reagan before now. :D
 

Braveheart712

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Yes, I said liberal media...

Yes I used the term liberal media. I do not deny that there are right winged conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O\'Reilly, and Michael Savage but they only balance the left such as Larry King, the Hollywood \"elite\" like Sean \"Bagdad\" Penn or the two fornicators living in sin, Susan Soranden and her emasculated boy toy Tim Robbins to name a few, as well as every major newspaper in the country ranging from the New York Times to the Washington Post. Don\'t forget the electronic media like CNN, brought to us by Ted Turner, the ex husband of Hanoy Jane Fonda. They wouldn\'t know impartial journalism if it bit him in the butt and was dragged to death. Yes Bush SR did his fair share of lame duck pardons, but BJ Billy set the record with pardons and last minute court appointment, this is not my opinion, it is a fact. Neither Bush is the man nor the president Ronald Reagan is, this it is true, however Clinton does not hold a candle to him either. In many ways the biggest blot on Bush Jr, that of the ongoing Iraq mess, was caused by the liberals and Clinton not enforcing the UN inspections agreed upon at the end of the Gulf War. Had they continued these UN inspection during the Clinton term of office, there would have never been the large gap in intelligence that created the possibilty of WMD\'s existing and being unaccounted for. Don\'t be so hasty to crucify Bush for the current state of foreign affairs, after all Clinton brought us the \"police action\" in the Balkans and Somolia, did you forget that? Oh yeah, and on the day of his Capital Hill testimony on Clinton\'s inappropiate behavior with an orally fixated intern, didn\'t he order an airstike to divert attention in the media, or was that just a coincidence??? I don\'t want to get off on a rant here, but it seems just as much mud can be stung at the liberals as at the conservatives. My point is that it seems to stick better on the conservative, although they like to \"Whitewater\" it away....

I think this thread was stated to honor Ronald Reagan and Ray Charles right??? If it was, I think they both were great men, flawed yes, but still great and the world is an emptier place with the loss of both these men.

Lastly, I offer a humble apology to all members of CMON. It was not my wish to start a political flamewar mearly I wanted to offer my admiration and respect for both Ray Charles and Ronald Reagan. In my heart and many others worldwide, these men will be missed.

\"Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong...\" -Dennis Miller
 

darthfoley

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Perhaps the reason the mud sticks to conservative \'leaders\' better is the fact that they are the ones who most often hold themselves up as the example of moral behavior? Then when they get caught doing...y\'know, bad stuff...it makes them look even more full of bunko than they did in the first place?

Just a thought from my locale on the \'both major political parties in America suck\' bandwagon.

:D
 

Braveheart712

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Originally posted by darthfoley
Perhaps the reason the mud sticks to conservative \'leaders\' better is the fact that they are the ones who most often hold themselves up as the example of moral behavior? Then when they get caught doing...y\'know, bad stuff...it makes them look even more full of bunko than they did in the first place?

Just a thought from my locale on the \'both major political parties in America suck\' bandwagon.

:D

The \'both major political parties in America suck\' bandwagon? How do I become a member, that is truly the best idea I have seen in years!
 

Ebonbuddha

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I agree with Foley and NSA.

You\'ll never win a debate about politics and religion. It just makes people pissed off for no reason. So, why bother?

Seriously. Bill Clinton got a blowjob from an intern. LET IT GO! He was weak. End of story. Yes he lied. Tell me you wouldn\'t lie if you made a mistake that big. He did what any man would do in that situation. She is not a slut. She was a young woman who saw the chance to have sex with the leader with the most powerful country in the world. Are we saying that we would turn down sex with a beautiful rich woman when we were in our twenties? I don\'t think so.
We\'ve all done dumb things when we were younger. We\'ve all had sex, dated, or fell in love with someone for what could be considered the wrong reasons.

\"Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong...\"-Dennis Miller


Originally posted by darthfoley
Perhaps the reason the mud sticks to conservative \'leaders\' better is the fact that they are the ones who most often hold themselves up as the example of moral behavior? Then when they get caught doing...y\'know, bad stuff...it makes them look even more full of bunko than they did in the first place?

Just a thought from my locale on the \'both major political parties in America suck\' bandwagon.

:D
 
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