Ratings over-reactions ...

[DaN]

Ratings, as we know, aren\'t perfect.

Unfortunately this guy has got BOTH ends of the stick, with both overly harsh criticism and undue praise with people attempting to redress the balance.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=101808&rnum=&c=SF&m=all&nm=none&comp=all&letknown=%3Ccenter%3E%3CB%3E%3CSIZE=3%3EComment%20Submitted%3C/B%3E%3C/SIZE%3E%3Cbr%3EThank%20you%20for%20your%20comment.%20All%20comments%20are%20moderated%20before%20posting%3C/font%3E

I don\'t think the figure itself is that great as I\'ve mentioned in my comment, but people like TM and EB - both good painters, shud really know better than to mark down purely because of fluff.

 

[Prophaniti]

I have to say there is some weird stuff going on in that post. What fluff has to do with rating a mini I don\'t know.

The next thing thing will be historical figures marked down for minor inaccuracies.

I think I\'m only just getting the hang of rating correctly myself.

 

[Amazon warrior]

This is one of the reasons I tend to steer clear of spacemarines. I look at one, and to me it looks exactly like all the others, except look, this one\'s blue! Then I look at the comments and see someone raving about the masterful conversion or innovative use of fluff. If I was going to assess this mini purely on what I can see (as I normally do), it looks ok, maybe a 7, but the photo isn\'t great. The closest weapons are badly out of focus, and a back shot would have been nice.

 

[demonherald]

As with all scores it\'s a taste thing.....if you were to follow the advice given for marking i.e pretend your a Golden Demon judge then this would indeed score very low as like it or not fluff is a factor....

the model itself although well done isn\'t the best and a little cumbersome in places..the photo doesn\'t help either...

 

[J2FcM]

IN GENERAL, I find the sculpt bumps up a mini big time.

I\'ve seen plenty of poorly painted minis in the high 7\'s low 8\'s just becase its a cool SM or a Rackham mini... which I find very annoying.

On the other hand, the example above is just goofy...

I like Manero\'s ratings... the picture is crappy, the paint job isn\'t special, and again, you can barely see it. I\'d rather get rated low than high, as long as the low is honesty speaking.

 

[Trevor]

Fluff marking is a personal peeve of mine. I was once told I\'d used the wrong shade of red on a marine... riiiiight....

Whats worse is that the fluff contradicts itself and half these people have only been playing 5 years and don\'t know all the fluff anyway. They sit there categorically stating fact when they actually don\'t have all the facts.

I actually find it rather sad how fanatically people grip onto their own interpretation of the fluff as fact. Its a creative game, its there to be messed with and changed, if it wasn\'t we would never have had Commissar Gaunt. Where are the fluff Police? They really should sort that one out.

\"Sorry Mr Abnett, commissars don\'t get command, please report for immediate brain wiping\".

i.e pretend your a Golden Demon judge then this would indeed score very low as like it or not fluff is a factor....

Interesting because I won a Gold demon with a Grey Knight converted into a nurgle marine, granted mine was a conversion, not a possession, but still it had obviously been grey knight armour.

 

[lizcam]

Um...what\'s fluff????

 

[darkartminiatures]

Background info.

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Well, to be blunt.

I didn\'t like the idea. I didn\'t like the miniature. It was a silly concept. The picture is too dark and it’s blurry. I judged the miniature from how I felt about it. Just like the rest of you. Don\'t like it? Get over it.

This mentality is one of the reasons I took my gallery down on CMON. For years there have been rumour that it’s nothing but a popularity. It seems that it’s true and I don’t want that. I don’t want a bunch of people saying something is nice just because they don’t want to hurt my feelings or it makes them feel good. I learned more from people like Chrispy who were honest and told me what was wrong.

And to the whiners; its not ignorance of lack of imagination. It means someone doesn’t like your work. End of story. Actually, it seems ignorance would make you whine about a score. No one owes you good compliments and praise.

And for the record; I have been playing this game (Warhammer 40K) for well over fourteen years.

It must be a slow day for someone to stir up this pile of sh*t. The submission and comments are almost two years old.

 

[Dragon Forge Design]

Well first off this is COOL mini or NOT..and apparantly EB felt it wasn\'t cool and voted it that way.. no big deal and not worth bringing up..2 years after the fact..

As for the quality of the piece.. it\'s a 5.5 at best..

 

[No Such Agency]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
This mentality is one of the reasons I took my gallery down on CMON.

That was kind of silly. But I suppose, at least you only did it once lol

It must be a slow day for someone to stir up this pile of sh*t. The submission and comments are almost two years old.

That was my first thought... but some people forget to notice the dates on these things.

 

[rextalon]

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
Well, to be blunt.

I didn\'t like the idea. I didn\'t like the miniature. It was a silly concept. The picture is too dark and it’s blurry. I judged the miniature from how I felt about it. Just like the rest of you. Don\'t like it? Get over it.

I agree. Who cares what the concept was, or how he converted it. You don\'t get auto points just cause you converted something. I\'ve seen people rate things WAY higher than they should be just because they see green stuff being used.

The mini kind of looks okay, but it\'s really blurry, and way too dark. I can\'t see the mini so how can I say it\'s good?
EDIT: Also, this topic is in the wrong forum. It should be in \"discuss submissions\" IMO.

 

[Larre]

yeah, well personally I think you should give feedback and ideas to make it better than just dis it as you guys did! feedback is the best way to keep a painter going! if I didn\'t get as much feedback as I did I think I would have stopped painting long ago! so I\'d say that rather than complaining aabout it you should tell him what you feel in a polite kind of way, and also tell him how to make it better!

// Larre

Edit:

No one owes you good compliments and praise

that\'s true, but sometimes you can be a bit generous with your feedback! just because you don\'t have to praise him doesn\'t mean that you shouldn\'t!

:cussing:

 

[beowulfthehunter]

What is that saying, if you can\'t say something nice then don\'t say it at all.

I have stopped posting here, not because I think there is a popularity contest, but it seems like no one ever has anything constructive to say.

 

[Ebonbuddha]

So what you are saying s lie about?

News flash: The world isn’t fluffy bunnies and big pink clouds.

One man’s nice comment is another man’s waste of time.

As a matter of fact I received this message just recently

“Hi I have noticed you are one of the few people brave enough to comment and put low scores on work where deserved...even though you get flamed for it thanks to the CMON police...I was wondering f you get time if you could have a look at some of my work…”

Its simple math…nice comments + undeserving work= bullsh*t

Originally posted by Larre

that\'s true, but sometimes you can be a bit generous with your feedback! just because you don\'t have to praise him doesn\'t mean that you shouldn\'t!

:cussing:

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Not really. If you don\'t kiss someones bum in the comments section, they come back and give you a one. Not because they really feel its a one. Its just because you didn\'t give them nice scores and comments. Whats the point? ???

Originally posted by No Such Agency

Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
This mentality is one of the reasons I took my gallery down on CMON.

That was kind of silly. But I suppose, at least you only did it once lol

 

[Torn blue sky]

Mmmm to be honest, you can\'t see a whole lot in the pic...The \"fluff\" thing seems to be an off hand Remark.
I dunno what the fuss is about, I see a lot of helpfull critisism from Tony and EB.

It might sound a bit \"bitchy\" to some, but it\'s not like they flat out comment \"that\'s just...Sh*t...\". Bunnys and pink fluffy clouds, like the man said

 

[Rodnik]

News flash: The world isn’t fluffy bunnies and big pink clouds.

Mine is...I make it that way...


Although I agree the mini photo is bad---I simply would have left a comment----\"Your photo needs work\", as I don\'t see how you guys could rate it at all based with the photo provided. Without making some serious assumptions about the quality of the mini.

Regardless, constructive criticism is something that\'s almost entirely lacking here on CMON. Either you get flamed, or you get the \"attaboy\"---and nothing credible in-between.

One of the problems (of which this a good example) is that many folks thinks that harsh comments and constructive criticism are the same thing. They\'re not.

The harsh comments are simply a mechanism used by posters to gain credibility...(much like raising your voice in an argument).

Which is ironic really...considering harsh criticism/raising your voice/etc ensures the speaker loses *all* credibility with the listener.

 

[Highbulp Billy]

I think that if you want constructive criticism or feedback of any kind, you need to use the forums rather than rely on the voting pages. The format for leaving comments when voting lends itself to very brief statements rather than in depth analysis. As such, most of the comments will come across \"well done\" or \"that sucks\". When I leave comments, I try to say what I like or don\'t like briefly but tactfully and give a tip or encouragement where appropriate. Quite often, it\'s the younger or newer painters who ask for comments and at that stage encouragement is important (we\'ve all been there no matter how long ago it was). However, I don\'t over-rate a mini for fear of hurting someone\'s feelings - merely explain the score and what can be done to improve.

When the forums are used to discuss minis it is more productive as you have the time and space to say more as well as respond to other posters and the painter - creating genuine discussion and the sharing of thoughts and ideas.

Finally, rightly or wrongly we all have our wn criteria for judging minis. Gamers will use their knowledge of rules and background \"fluff\" to influence their votes where they deem it appropriate - it\'s their right to do so. Those of us who don\'t game or study the backgrounds judge on what we think is right. That\'s kind of how the world works.

 

[Yetie]

I can understand that if you are a gamer why taking the fluff into account matters, I can also see from a painting point of view why it doesnt matter. As for the model from a painting and converting stand point its a good idea. The execution is lacking quality but hey thats why its been posted so the person can be helped along the way. I think people are in danger of forgeting why we do this hobbie and thats to have fun and to do something we take pride in. I\'m not religous in the slightist but i always remember this one \"treat others how you would like to be treated\", sometimes this is different from person to person, doesnt mean there being nasty or picking a fight for no reason. So lets all have a :beer: and get back to some good ole brush licking :bouncy: