Why the decrease?
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Hieronymus
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I get super happy whenever something I have is above six and a half. I don\'t worry anymore about my scores, just about doing a better job at thinking up new ideas and improving my execution and photography of them. To be honest, I\'m not pandering to other voters, I\'m pandering to my own ego, for the most part.
It\'s cool mini or not, and I wouldn\'t have done things the way I did if I didn\'t think it was cool. I try to recognize technical skill and innovation in others and reward them with good scores and comments.
It\'s cool mini or not, and I wouldn\'t have done things the way I did if I didn\'t think it was cool. I try to recognize technical skill and innovation in others and reward them with good scores and comments.
Lemmingspawn
Member
I\'ve taken it to mind that the standard is just higher than it was in the beginning, that\'s all. I have a model that I have painted I was thinking, \"Yeah this is a 8-8.5\" but then I showed my friend who\'s like \"Yeah that\'s a really strong 7.5 + \"
I was a little shocked, but then when you think about it, we have such AWESOME painters getting involved, using such incredible techniques, the bar is simply lifting. A 10 twelve months ago is more like a 9-9.5 and so forth.
We should be proud of this fact because it shows that this community is adding SOOOO much to the hobby. It\'s doing it by giving people an excellent resource to draw upon, and by doing that it\'s raising the bar.
I say congrats to CMON for such an awesome contribution to the hobby. It\'s a little disconcerting to get the lower scores to start with, but then as my friend said when he noticed I was a little taken aback, 7.5 is still an awesome score. It\'s way above tabletop standard by a mile! Perhaps the score system needs review....but then that\'s really hard to work on too.
Every point is worth so much more now.
I was a little shocked, but then when you think about it, we have such AWESOME painters getting involved, using such incredible techniques, the bar is simply lifting. A 10 twelve months ago is more like a 9-9.5 and so forth.
We should be proud of this fact because it shows that this community is adding SOOOO much to the hobby. It\'s doing it by giving people an excellent resource to draw upon, and by doing that it\'s raising the bar.
I say congrats to CMON for such an awesome contribution to the hobby. It\'s a little disconcerting to get the lower scores to start with, but then as my friend said when he noticed I was a little taken aback, 7.5 is still an awesome score. It\'s way above tabletop standard by a mile! Perhaps the score system needs review....but then that\'s really hard to work on too.
Every point is worth so much more now.
electrolito 77
New member
In my opinion, I want to reinforce the answer I got when I started a thread a couple of months ago. For things like this you just have to develop a thick skin. With a community as big as it has become you are always bound for 2 things to happen: The quality rises and so do the standards; and you also have the radical jackass that rates mini\'s low just so he feels better about himself (lots of these guys lately). It took me a little while to get used to it, but now I am good. I also agree with the fact that some GD winning pieces on this site barely break 8. This all comes down to how you portray your minis, if you take good pictures your work won\'t go underappreciated; If you don\'t take good pictures you can either hide your marvelous work in blurriness or get away with a good score hiding hideous details with blurriness on your pics. It just never ends... Touchy subject. I will always think my minis are 9\'s but you won\'t, but after serious outrage and sense of failure, I can live with 7\'s. 
Now Ainu... quit advertising for these guys, it is ok to score low on this website, ask anyone but the top 100 guys
Now Ainu... quit advertising for these guys, it is ok to score low on this website, ask anyone but the top 100 guys
No Such Agency
New member
Well said. I was somewhat miffed at the score a certain mini got, which I felt should be distinctly higher... but you know what? Even a 7 is much better painting than the vast majority of people who have ever practiced this hobby. 8 is not some magical threshold where you go from being \"in the realm of Left Talon of Roc\" to being \"in the realm of Magmathrax\". It\'s just a number. If your mini gets a 7.8 or an 8.2... it is the same mini!
If you look at Alexi z\'s stuff and the other top artists and figure they deserve 9+ then 7-8 really is not that bad. you have to remember, those people are spending 20 + hours on one model. I only spend 6 hours tops on a painted model so I get 7-8 , I\'m happy with that for the time I spent. If anything I see alot of crap on here that is voted way too high, tens for things far from perfection. I just posted my 1st green and am getting 8\'s, I\'m happy. Im one of the more outspoken people as far as comments go, so I doubt that helps me, just paint, post and be happy.
demonherald
New member
here...here...and I wanna know why I keep feeling inclined to reply......??
and why does everyone who does a score seems low thread always say they\'re not bothered about scores when they blatantly are...It\'s like a discussion I had while golfing..
my playing partner said ignore the tree it isn\'t there.I said this is impossible as surely in the act of ignoring the tree I am in fact acknowledging it\'s existence...??
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also 20 hours ..very few of the demon winners spend that time....a lot can put over 200 hours into a piece...that\'s a whole different skill level..patience ..not my strong point...
and why does everyone who does a score seems low thread always say they\'re not bothered about scores when they blatantly are...It\'s like a discussion I had while golfing..
my playing partner said ignore the tree it isn\'t there.I said this is impossible as surely in the act of ignoring the tree I am in fact acknowledging it\'s existence...??
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also 20 hours ..very few of the demon winners spend that time....a lot can put over 200 hours into a piece...that\'s a whole different skill level..patience ..not my strong point...
Well, for me, I expect to get low scores. I\'ve only painted 2 minis (working on a 3rd right now), so getting a 6 or a 7 is pretty far-fetched for me.
I won\'t say that I don\'t care about scores; however, I\'m far more concerned about getting advice and help from other painters than I am about the score a mini may be getting.
Just my (newbie) 2 cents worth.
I won\'t say that I don\'t care about scores; however, I\'m far more concerned about getting advice and help from other painters than I am about the score a mini may be getting.
Just my (newbie) 2 cents worth.
Matt Cexwish
Member
I will say something that can offend someone, so handle with care... and think about it...
Compared to other... arty hobbies like doing Concept Arts, Painting, drawing and so on our work is not too developed in General, I guess... Sure it is difficult to paint a Miniature, but I think that very, very few painters use art abilities, which means that they analyze the Minuiature before painting, have a skill in finding a harmonical Color Scheme and Paint the Miniature consiering Light, Shadows and Light Sources... if you look at an \"ordinary\" art forum, there is work that is very good, but is not that hiped as Miniatures are... Okay, I have to admit that these are drawings, our Hobby is about Miniatures, so it´s something different (3d Dimension...), but nevertheless, I think you can compare these two...
As one example... If you paint a miniature and give it to CMON, and it gets a rating of, let´s say, 9.6 ... So it is really, really good in a Miniature maniac Eyes... If you now take the same Mini and show it to somebody, who paints oil pictures, he will probably judge this okay... even good, but he won´t definately say it is brilliant and breathtaking (sorry for the Generalization, but I have experienced that lots of times...)...
I think that the general skills have to develop a lot and the rating will suffer from that... people get used to more extreme techniques, these extremes get more common every time they get used...
Ah, one last thing... The increase over the last three years is so enormous... and I think that GW has a big share on that, because of GD... Think about it...
Compared to other... arty hobbies like doing Concept Arts, Painting, drawing and so on our work is not too developed in General, I guess... Sure it is difficult to paint a Miniature, but I think that very, very few painters use art abilities, which means that they analyze the Minuiature before painting, have a skill in finding a harmonical Color Scheme and Paint the Miniature consiering Light, Shadows and Light Sources... if you look at an \"ordinary\" art forum, there is work that is very good, but is not that hiped as Miniatures are... Okay, I have to admit that these are drawings, our Hobby is about Miniatures, so it´s something different (3d Dimension...), but nevertheless, I think you can compare these two...
As one example... If you paint a miniature and give it to CMON, and it gets a rating of, let´s say, 9.6 ... So it is really, really good in a Miniature maniac Eyes... If you now take the same Mini and show it to somebody, who paints oil pictures, he will probably judge this okay... even good, but he won´t definately say it is brilliant and breathtaking (sorry for the Generalization, but I have experienced that lots of times...)...
I think that the general skills have to develop a lot and the rating will suffer from that... people get used to more extreme techniques, these extremes get more common every time they get used...
Ah, one last thing... The increase over the last three years is so enormous... and I think that GW has a big share on that, because of GD... Think about it...
Matt Cexwish
Member
Matt 1... Thread 0...
Sigh... Often enough, it seems that I don´t speak the same language as everyone else......
Sigh... Often enough, it seems that I don´t speak the same language as everyone else...
...demonherald
New member
I\'m with you on that one Matt....
Even a lot of basic chocolate box art has work with reflections toning and texture that mini painters still haven\'t used as well as other things..
I remember seeing airbrush art in the early 80\'s that representing chrome and other metallics with reflections that looked so damn realistic..
Admittedly the scale is often a hinderence but still there is so much still undiscovered and that\'s what makes this whole thing fun...
I have every Golden Demon printed section and models that won the slayer sword 5 years ago and were then considered gobsmacking wouldn\'t get a look in these days....
Even a lot of basic chocolate box art has work with reflections toning and texture that mini painters still haven\'t used as well as other things..
I remember seeing airbrush art in the early 80\'s that representing chrome and other metallics with reflections that looked so damn realistic..
Admittedly the scale is often a hinderence but still there is so much still undiscovered and that\'s what makes this whole thing fun...
I have every Golden Demon printed section and models that won the slayer sword 5 years ago and were then considered gobsmacking wouldn\'t get a look in these days....
EvilOverlord
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Yes, i can say, all the things you all sayed before are right....the painting skills have improoved, thats right...BUT!!!...also the number of CMON cheater.
That should mean, that somebody let somebody vote high for a mini that is not as good as the rating tells us.
on the other hand some people are rating so damned low, that i could ***** sometimes. 4 example, i have put one of my latest minis, made a photo and loaded it up. i would rate it at 7.5...the middel upperclass. the first 3 votes where normal, so the rating was 6.8....one hour later my rating was 4.2! that means, some people must have voted a 1 or a 2!
now this mini has reached the pre thought 7.5....but this is a little bit irritating, because i know that the low ratings are counting there 2....in my count my mini could be 7.8 ore more.
then i have taken a closer look at minis around the rating of 7....and i was horrible scared! i found minis, rated with a 7 with over 400 votes.....and you ALL would count them at least a 3!
maybe it would help if we just change the abilety to vote, to MEMBERS of CMON and not everybody...maybe we could minimise the \"cheating\" level a little bit that way
greetings Evil
That should mean, that somebody let somebody vote high for a mini that is not as good as the rating tells us.
on the other hand some people are rating so damned low, that i could ***** sometimes. 4 example, i have put one of my latest minis, made a photo and loaded it up. i would rate it at 7.5...the middel upperclass. the first 3 votes where normal, so the rating was 6.8....one hour later my rating was 4.2! that means, some people must have voted a 1 or a 2!
now this mini has reached the pre thought 7.5....but this is a little bit irritating, because i know that the low ratings are counting there 2....in my count my mini could be 7.8 ore more.
then i have taken a closer look at minis around the rating of 7....and i was horrible scared! i found minis, rated with a 7 with over 400 votes.....and you ALL would count them at least a 3!
maybe it would help if we just change the abilety to vote, to MEMBERS of CMON and not everybody...maybe we could minimise the \"cheating\" level a little bit that way
greetings Evil
johnboyjjb
Active member
I understand your points Jondalar...the best way to get comments/critiques of your work is most likely in the DISCUSS SUBMISSIONS area here on the forums.
Also, people tend to leave comments for people who have done so on their own items...have you tried leaving comments for others?
Also, people tend to leave comments for people who have done so on their own items...have you tried leaving comments for others?
No Such Agency
New member
You dredged this thread up to complain about \"cheaters\"? In your first post here ever? I don\'t want to sound like an ass (I know, too late) but if you\'ve lurked in these forums at all you should know that griping about voting cheats is like humping a watermelon - pointless, and you will feel quite dissatisfied afterwards.
You do not understand the scoring system. \"Outliers\" are discarded for the average rating. This has been discussed here many, MANY times. And we have cherished it like a precious gem, every time it is brought up.
I call utter shenanigans on this extraordinary claim. 3\'s voted up to 7? I\'ve never seen it, except for obvious jokes like that wood elf on the plastic deer. Give us links.
As Jondalar, who I will subsequently berate, reminded us all, \"we\'re adults who paint toy soldiers\". You will not get cash prize for your first 8.0 You will not get the adulation of women or laurel wreaths. They\'re just numbers, if you don\'t like the scores your minis have... they ultimately only mean what you allow them to mean. Enjoy this, it\'s your hobby!
As for Jondalar\'s suggestion that there should be a \"n00bs\' gallery\"or something like that... What is the point? If you have that little confidence in your work, don\'t post it anywhere. There are 4\'s here as well as 9\'s - the playing field IS \"level\" and some painters are better than others. If you become a better painter, your scores WILL improve, I promise.
If you think that CMON is a bunch of elite painters looking at neophyte paint jobs, and sneering amongst themselves as they caress their multiple Demon trophies, well you clearly don\'t know many of the elite painters here. A nicer and more helpful bunch you could not find, in general. They are an amazing resource for n00bs and more experienced painters alike, and you WANT to be in the same gallery as them, because they will never give you any advice if your work is buried in some obscure forum somewhere and they don\'t see it.
And yes, it\'s a two-way street. Leave helpful comments for others (your opinion matters!) and they may reciprocate. I usually check out the galleries of anyone I don\'t know yet who leaves me a comment.
AinuLainour
New member
When I started this I was pissed. Now I\'m not. What the thread-o-mancy?
AinuLainour
New member
Erm..
Nothing is rigged. NMM does not make your mini better.
And many of us are below 18 years of age, including yours truly.
