GW changes to cheaper materials and puts up prices.
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Mr.S.Marbo
New member
Yeah those were great. All bits of everything in little plastic bags laid out in piles and you had to search through all sorts of assorted bits to find a gem which cost next to nothing. I also remember buy two get one free boxes sets at newly opened (or even stores that moved within the same town) and vouchers from white dwarf. Those were the days.
It's not really a problem. Just release a Citadel Figure Case Finecast Edition. It costs a little more than the ordinary case but the basic model has space for freezer / ice blocks which will slip into pre-made pockets in the carry case. So you lift it out, put it in the freezer and then when frozen add to the carry case which will be cooling a bit like a food cool box. You could have a deluxe model where you would just charge it overnight and the battery would provide cooling for all the next day.
Tercha
Member
OK they are expensive..where do they fit in on the list? they have GOT to be cheaper than antimatter...
Item Price per pound
All purpose flour $0.52
Zinc $0.80
Lead $0.85
Bottled water $1.00
Pennies $1.81
Copper $3.50
Nickels $4.54
Nickel $9.00
Bulk hemp fiber $12
Dimes $20
Quarters $20
Turkey feathers $26
Maine Coon Cat (Pet quality ~20 lbs) $50
Dollar coins $56
Uranium (as U3O8) $65
Kobe Beef Filet Mignon $112
Kopi Luwak $160
Human Blood $181
Silver $197
Printer Ink $322
Peacock feathers $410
One Dollar Bills $454
Two Dollar Bills $907
Lottery Tickets (California $1 scratch-offs) $907
Saffron $1,000
Marijuana $2,000
Five Dollar Bills $2,268
Industrial diamonds $2,300
LZR Swimsuit $2,495
Palladium $4,287
Ambergris $4,500
Ten Dollar Bills $4,536
Twenty Dollar Bills $9,072
Any object brought to ISS At least $10,000
Gold $12,000
Platinum $20,679
Fifty Dollar Bills $22,680
Cocaine $22,680
Hundred Dollar Bills $45,359
Rhodium $77,292
Good-quality, one-carat diamonds $11.4 M
LSD $55 M
Antimatter $26 Quadrillion
Item Price per pound
All purpose flour $0.52
Zinc $0.80
Lead $0.85
Bottled water $1.00
Pennies $1.81
Copper $3.50
Nickels $4.54
Nickel $9.00
Bulk hemp fiber $12
Dimes $20
Quarters $20
Turkey feathers $26
Maine Coon Cat (Pet quality ~20 lbs) $50
Dollar coins $56
Uranium (as U3O8) $65
Kobe Beef Filet Mignon $112
Kopi Luwak $160
Human Blood $181
Silver $197
Printer Ink $322
Peacock feathers $410
One Dollar Bills $454
Two Dollar Bills $907
Lottery Tickets (California $1 scratch-offs) $907
Saffron $1,000
Marijuana $2,000
Five Dollar Bills $2,268
Industrial diamonds $2,300
LZR Swimsuit $2,495
Palladium $4,287
Ambergris $4,500
Ten Dollar Bills $4,536
Twenty Dollar Bills $9,072
Any object brought to ISS At least $10,000
Gold $12,000
Platinum $20,679
Fifty Dollar Bills $22,680
Cocaine $22,680
Hundred Dollar Bills $45,359
Rhodium $77,292
Good-quality, one-carat diamonds $11.4 M
LSD $55 M
Antimatter $26 Quadrillion
I'm very excited to have my first resin mini. Weighing in at 1.24g is Banelords Cynuise of Old (0.002733732lbs).
USD 5,375 per pound, give or take a latte. So who has a GW mini to weigh??
Good to know the hobby is cheaper than cocaine... ummm I guess
TrystanGST
New member
So you're saying that resin minis are more expensive than (industrial) diamond by weight? Wait til that gets out! GW will never live that down!
Talion
New member
Finally went to take a look at these in real life.
To be honest they seemed fine, had a good look at some that the kiddies were prepping and through a lot of the blisters. Couldn't see a noticable mould slippage or air bubbles.
Detailing on the models was good, but nothing i'd shout about, couldn't see any advantage over metal for individual soldiers, but can see the advantage for the bigger models that required pinning.
Spoke to the GW chappy he asked what army I collected, told him I'm purely a painter....and to be honest he did try to sell me anything. Spoke to him about the horrific pictures I'd seen of these, and he admitted that some of the casts he'd seen were bad, and he doubted the quality himself (possibly some GW talk to admit there were problems) I asked him about returns he explained that they had a couple come in more so on the boxed minis. He explained though that when someone came in with a faulty part from a multipart mini, they would open other boxes or blisters to replace that item.
Overall I came out quite happy with them. It seems that the GW staff on the ground realise there have been problems and are happy to admit it, they are also rectifying any that come in. Be good if GW headquarters admitted that things went a little tits-up but these issues are being sorted.
As for the heat, on another forum I poster carried out a heat test of leaving one in his car, and also a drop test with 2 of the same mini in both metal and resin. In the car the resin mini virtually melted away on the drop test the resin mini held together far better than a metal one.
To be honest they seemed fine, had a good look at some that the kiddies were prepping and through a lot of the blisters. Couldn't see a noticable mould slippage or air bubbles.
Detailing on the models was good, but nothing i'd shout about, couldn't see any advantage over metal for individual soldiers, but can see the advantage for the bigger models that required pinning.
Spoke to the GW chappy he asked what army I collected, told him I'm purely a painter....and to be honest he did try to sell me anything. Spoke to him about the horrific pictures I'd seen of these, and he admitted that some of the casts he'd seen were bad, and he doubted the quality himself (possibly some GW talk to admit there were problems) I asked him about returns he explained that they had a couple come in more so on the boxed minis. He explained though that when someone came in with a faulty part from a multipart mini, they would open other boxes or blisters to replace that item.
Overall I came out quite happy with them. It seems that the GW staff on the ground realise there have been problems and are happy to admit it, they are also rectifying any that come in. Be good if GW headquarters admitted that things went a little tits-up but these issues are being sorted.
As for the heat, on another forum I poster carried out a heat test of leaving one in his car, and also a drop test with 2 of the same mini in both metal and resin. In the car the resin mini virtually melted away on the drop test the resin mini held together far better than a metal one.
TrystanGST
New member
My only concern with the drop test is that the metal minis will bend, or at worst "break" at glued joints. Resin minis will break at weak spots, regardless of wether those are at joints or the middle of your sword.
TrystanGST
New member
She's finecast, alright.
I Can't give you a definitive yes/no answer.
I've had resin (Forgeworld) discolour when left unprimed in the sun (UK rarity level 10) and had resin break when mishandled, BUT the thicker the resin the less chance of fracture.
Using logic I'd suggest that the thinner the piece of resin the less capacity it has to withstand direct or radiant heat.
Arizona is in comparison to the UK a 'tad' warmer and I for one wouldn't like to put any money on survivability rates if you leave resin in direct sunlight for a protracted period.
IF (and its a pretty big if) your local GW store is customer friendly then you might be able to get hold of some "finecast" sprue as a test piece. Stick it upright somewhere where it's going to get affected by direct light/heat and watch the result.
TrystanGST
New member
I'll tell you what will happen. It'll turn to a puddle. I know how hot AZ gets, especially this time of year. Unless the mini is a tank, it's going to droop at the least. You can use a hair dryer to soften resin enough to manipulate. It takes a second or two. Sitting in a hot car is like being inside a furnace.
xaeromancer
New member
I am outraged and yet unsurprised that human blood is cheaper than printer ink.
But a quick run down on the topic:
It's brittle when it's cold,
It melts when it's warm,
It has memory, flash and casting flaws
Quality is improved over metal only because the moulds are newer
And GW are charging more for it?
Never mind the fact that this is vastly cheaper for them to produce and yet they insult our intelligence with a price increase. This is a painting forum and it's dubious that the material is fit for task. I can't imagine what the gaming forums will be like when this stuff starts melting / breaking / not fitting together because of warping.
You obviously do not know the cost and effort to catch and milk squids for their ink.
lol
RuneBrush
New member
Lol, that has to be the most amusing mental image I've had for ages...
Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
I don't think this is fair.
It's not really brittle at all. In case things snap I think it's due to the casting quality ie. internal bubbles. The material is flexible. Sure it will be more brittle when it's cold but I doubt it will be more brittle then ordinary resin.
I haven't experienced the problem with temperature either yet even though it's very warm here atm and I had the minis in a car in sunlight. IIRC there is such an effect with ordinary resin as well in direct sunlight. We'll see this summer if it's really an issue.
The casting quality is the main issue. It's really terrible at the moment, but on the other hand you can return any miniatures with miscasts to the store.
If you think it's due to newer moulds you haven't looked at the miniatures closely, the amount of details is much higher then with White Metal. Take a look at the face of Astorath for example and the small pointy teeth, look at the armour as well. The material is very easy to clean as well and takes superglue better. I haven't seen any warped minis yet, though I am sure there are. However I think the fitting is less of an issue then with white metal in general.
The price is higher yes, that's a bummer and typical GW. But I don't think it's vastly cheaper to produce. I think a very small portion of the GW price is from material costs.
All in all I am positive to the material if they fix the castings issues. The prices are getting a bit ridiculous though.
xaeromancer
New member
I think someone above mentioned material costs of around 5% of metal. Even factoring the new equipment, which is a capital cost and will be spread over the whole range, this will be a vast saving to GW. Should they have missed a 0 and it's 50% of cost, it still doesn't justify a price increase.
I think it's odd that they are injection moulding into soft moulds though. That sounds like a recipe for trapped area and flash.
They have picked the worst possible name, though, considering the QA problems.
