Advice on good quality brushes

ColtheReaver

New member
Hello guys,

I'm looking for a bit of advice on some good quality brushes. Up until very recently I've been using up a stock of the blue citadel brushes I had stock piled just before GW brought out the new range which in my opinion suck. What are the best quality/value for money to go for?
 

Einion

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A lot depends on what you're looking for exactly since both good and good quality don't equal any particular kind of bristle or type of brush.

A quick search and you'll easily find lots of the advice/recommendations already given in this area (not a little of of it conflicting I hate to say).

Einion
 

finn17

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As Einon says, it's often a very personal thing. Personally, I don't think you can beat Windsor and Newton Series 7 or Miniature series.

They are dear, but if looked after they last for ages so do offer good value in the long run.
 

ColtheReaver

New member
Yeah I've looked at windsor and newtons series 7 and have been tempted to buy a few to give em a go. I personally loved the old blue citadel brushes and I know they werent the best quality but they were what I was used to but mine have just came to the end of their life depite being looked after.
 

Stewsayer

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Hi,

I was using W&N series 7's but the couple I had must have been a bad batch. I cleaned the regularly (at least weekly) and rinsed them thoroughly after every session. But they wore out in around 6 months or so. Before that the brushes were great though. Maybe i didn't look after them properly.

That said lately I have been using Raphael sable brushes. They are just as good as the W&N and seem to be lasting longer even though I haven't treated them as well. They also have the advantage of being about half the price of the W&N ones (here in Aus at least).
 

freakinacage

Well-known member
try rosemary and co. slightly less spring than the w+n but easily as good quality, if not more and half the price
 

Einion

New member
ColtheReaver said:
Yeah I've looked at windsor and newtons series 7 and have been tempted to buy a few to give em a go.
Stewsayer said:
I was using W&N series 7's but the couple I had must have been a bad batch. I cleaned the regularly (at least weekly) and rinsed them thoroughly after every session.
Q.v. numerous previous mentions of their quality-control issues.

Einion
 

10 ball

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Eavy Metal team use Windsor and Newton 7 not the Citadel range, strange seeing how GW are always going on how good their stuff is?
 

BPI

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GW's brushes are designed primarily for 12 year olds to basecoat, wash & drybrush armies of space marines. It would be pointless them selling significantly more expensive brushes when their core customers would see no benefit. They could stock a premium range for painters & upsell to the richer kids but that's hardly their target demographic anymore (painters that is, not rich kids :)).

Cheers, B.
 

10 ball

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Yep I see what your saying but it would be nice if they sold the expensive ones also. Then us painters & gamers could choose alike :)
 

AutumnInAshes

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I've been tempted to get some good quality brushes, but I'm concerned I'll ruin them! I ruin a lot of the cheap ones. Any advice on brush care in addition to what good quality brushes to look into would be appreciated! Thank you :)
 

Einion

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Hola, welcome to the site. Start here, then go here.

My advice for ongoing care is basically rinse thoroughly, and often. Using a double-bath system with a little dishwashing liquid really helps too. Lots more info in prior threads.

Einion
 

Enkiel

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GW's brushes are designed primarily for 12 year olds to basecoat, wash & drybrush armies of space marines. It would be pointless them selling significantly more expensive brushes when their core customers would see no benefit. They could stock a premium range for painters & upsell to the richer kids but that's hardly their target demographic anymore (painters that is, not rich kids :)).

Cheers, B.
wow, so many bad stereotype in that post, its almost degrading.

I personally use Windsor's too, and i'm quite impressed at how well they work. But at their price, i'm almost scared to take them out of their rake...

I do have a few Pebeo i use too, when painting require less precise work. They are so cheap (especially compared to windsor's) that i dont really mind not cleaning them enough, or mixing paint with them.
 

Kanli

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I'll vouch for WN Series 7 as well. Reaper brushes are pretty good. No experience with Raphael.

I switched to WN Series 7 about a year ago and none of my brushes have shown any wear (except the text disappearing of the handle (I paint the size on the end of the handle, indicating it with a number of rings). Rinse them often and remove paint from in the ferrule with Liquid WN brush cleaner or equivalent every week or two and you should be fine. You can also use brush shaper and conditioner every once in a while.

It helps to mix colors with a cheaper, larger brush to avoid drenching the Series 7 brushes in paint up to the ferrule, but that being said, do not be afraid to actually USE your brushes for painting. You'll be amazed how much difference they make.

Initially I liked the Series 7 Miniature brushes because I liked the spring provided by the shorter hairs, but I have come around to the standard brushes now. They have just as sharp a tip and can hold more paint. Online stores have sales on Series 7 brushes all the time and one of these brushes is worth 5-10 crappy brushes that will hook on its tip, making it worthless IMO so don't think in terms of how many off-brand brushes you could get instead. Once you upgrade you'll only use other brushes for base coating, drybrushing and other messy tasks.
 

skeeve

Member
I am using either W&N or Raphael 8404 and 8408 (lately, mostly Raphael). I have one W&N series 7 miniature that I use rarely and usually for freehand. At the same time I know that some people, including some competition painters use cheap synthetic brushes, they just use one brush per one mini. In the end, it is very much a question of personal preference. Btw, the latest incarnation of GW brushes is likely a rebranded W&N; not Series 7 though. They are not bad, just too expensive for what they are.
 

GraveRisen

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Hola, welcome to the site. Start here, then go here.

My advice for ongoing care is basically rinse thoroughly, and often. Using a double-bath system with a little dishwashing liquid really helps too. Lots more info in prior threads.

Einion

Brush soap is also a very good idea to keep inside of the the ferrule clean. I tend to run some suds through my brushes when I finish with each color then give it a solid rinse

personally I LOVE my W&N 7 series. i have a 0, 1, and a 2 I use for everything. I'd say 90% of my painting is done with the #1, with the 0 for detail and freehanding, and 2 for tanks/large models/basecoating.
 
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Einion

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Brush soap is also a very good idea to keep inside of the the ferrule clean. I tend to run some suds through my brushes when I finish with each color then give it a solid rinse
It shouldn't be necessary to soap a brush up if rinsing correctly, and too much exposure to soap will tend to shorten its life.

With softhair brushes it's better to genuinely wash the brush only when necessary, which could be about once every few months (depends a bit on how much you paint obviously, if you don't paint much once a year would do it).

Einion
 
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