Remove gallery scoring system

[Einion]

If the only comments come from the "committed few" who care and know about minis, than THOSE comments are worthy, regardless of number.

But you say yourself later on, it's the content that determines their value. Comments coming from any group of people, including a committed core group - which they already do to a certain degree - is sadly no guarantee of their quality or value (for the same reason that not all good modellers should judge at shows).

I would agree that, on paper at least, comments are better than just a numerical score but as we've already covered we have the evidence already that the bulk of people who can be bothered to comment do so because they want to give praise.

Answer me this: Is the scoring a true and correct measure of a minis worth?
If the answer is Yes, great, sorry to trouble you all.
If the answer is No, then, why bother?

This is a fallacy of interrogation (or in other words, a Loaded Question).

As for scrapping it...then consider another system:
One that reduces the range perhaps, to only 1 - 5, rounded up.
One that forces a comment of more then a few words.
One that counts thumbs up, and thumbs downs, and maybe "meh" sideways thumbs.

Do you seriously believe that these are less open to being as abused, and in exactly the same ways, as the current system?? With fewer score brackets it's actually easier to manipulate a score upwards or downwards!

Einion

 

[AndyG]

Got to say interesting thread strong views held by all but is the argument not getting just a tad repetitive and stale now? Some people want votes others don't maybe time to call it a day and agree to disagree? Shake hands make up peace to all men and all that kinda stuff:angel:

Ducks for cover from both sides.........:soldier: Lol

 

[freakinacage]

....girl!!

 

[cassar]

got to say interesting thread strong views held by all but is the argument not getting just a tad repetitive and stale now? Some people want votes others don't maybe time to call it a day and agree to disagree? Shake hands make up peace to all men and all that kinda stuff:angel:

Ducks for cover from both sides.........:soldier: Lol

i agree....lets vote on it lol

 

[AndyG]

....girl!!

:soldier: incoming!!!!:soldier: lol:laugh:

 

[Bloodhowl]

Got to say interesting thread strong views held by all but is the argument not getting just a tad repetitive and stale now? Some people want votes others don't maybe time to call it a day and agree to disagree? Shake hands make up peace to all men and all that kinda stuff:angel:

Ducks for cover from both sides.........:soldier: Lol

I give you a solid 2.
-8 for letting freakinacage call you a girl and not having a retort.

 

[Almanro]

But if you are that worried, don't post it in the gallery, upload to photobucket and just post in the discuss submissions forums. If you don't have thick skin, don't bother

I completely agree with this statement (and that's why I've never posted any mini on the vote section if not for brief moments, like when ImageShack was down...). I also however agree partially with the observations of yxalitis, but I think the vote system is a fundamental part of CMON and can't be eliminated: if you want throughtful comments, put the mini on the forum!
Moreover, the votes are helpful if you want to find some excellent minis for inspiration purposes, since all the minis with a score higher than 8.5 and with more than 50 votes are always at least very good painted if not masterworks!

Have a nice day,

Almanro

 

[AndyG]

I give you a solid 2.
-8 for letting freakinacage call you a girl and not having a retort.

I dont believe you would only give me a 2, outrageous!!!! Thats it Im packing up my little pony and going back to the girls corner and Im not gonna play any more!!! Only going to go on the non voting name calling sites, so there:angry:

 

[Bloodhowl]

I dont believe you would only give me a 2, outrageous!!!! Thats it Im packing up my little pony and going back to the girls corner and Im not gonna play any more!!! Only going to go on the non voting name calling sites, so there:angry:

-5. You forgot your hair ribbons and frilly dresses, there Princess! :rotfl:

At least I commented on why I deducted points. Now you can correct it for future submissions!

 

[Einion]

Got to say interesting thread strong views held by all but is the argument not getting just a tad repetitive and stale now?

A tad? :sarcastic:

Even if it were being discussed with an open mind by all parties, which clearly it isn't, it is at heart a pointless debate to have, as respondents have already pointed out in various ways - it is what it is / it's an inherent aspect of CMON / it's far more popular than this part of the site / if you don't like it you're not forced to use it / all the previous threads (and their length and depth) on the core topic suggest the futility of bringing it up. And so on.

Einion

 

[Linz1]

A tad? :sarcastic:

Even if it were being discussed with an open mind by all parties, which clearly it isn't, it is at heart a pointless debate to have, as respondents have already pointed out in various ways - it is what it is / it's an inherent aspect of CMON / it's far more popular than this part of the site / if you don't like it you're not forced to use it / all the previous threads (and their length and depth) on the core topic suggest the futility of bringing it up. And so on.

Einion

What he said! I like it, I'll use it, it's what got me back into it! Cool or not... Take it with a grain o salt n keep on truckin'

 

[RuneBrush]

I've only lightly skimmed through the comments. The biggest problem I have (with myself) is when there's a truly stunning paint job, but I don't like the mini. Do I give it the 10 it probably deserves or do I down mark it to a 9 or 8? The same goes if the mini isn't themed properly (e.g. a space marine in a high fantasy environment) or similar. It might be technically superior in one discipline but not in others and it's down the voter to work out what they think is a fair score.

One solution would be to change the voting from a single 1 ~ 10 into multiple smaller blocks. When you upload an image you mark it as being - Painted; Converted; Sculpted (one or multiple). The voter then is able to vote on each "category" plus a "liked" and "in character" and an overall vote is worked out, a bit like they do in gadget reviews or game reviews. So in the case above I could confidently give the mini a top score for painting but a mid-score for liked.

pete

 

[squidders]

Look at it shis way... If someone paints an amazing space marine on an amazing fantasy dragon crushing an amazing steampunk tank with an amazing base... Is it cool?

That's the question here... Is it cool mini or not. Not correct mini or not.

I vote whichever way I fancy as I don't care what other people find cool

 

[MrPickles]

i think the noobs should get hammered - i did when i first started scores ranging in 4-6. it forced me to improve in both areas, painting and photography.

it's either going to light a fire under your ass or make you quit. sink or swim i suppose, painting isn't for everyone.

 

[Greybird]

I gave up on the scores here after a while. What I really want is feedback on what works and what doesn't, but that rarely happens.

Still, the scores? I sometimes wonder whether the voters here have actually ever played a game and seen what 'table top quality' generally refers to. Most gaming minis I've seen would earn a solid 3 here, while most 5s would drop jaws at your average D&D game.

 

[Dragonsreach]

I gave up on the scores here after a while. What I really want is feedback on what works and what doesn't, but that rarely happens.

Post links in the Discuss Submissions Forum you'll find a more constructive level of criticism and assistance in there than in the Gallery. Then it's up to you to accept or reject the suggestions provided.

 

[freakinacage]

I gave up on the scores here after a while. What I really want is feedback on what works and what doesn't, but that rarely happens.

Still, the scores? I sometimes wonder whether the voters here have actually ever played a game and seen what 'table top quality' generally refers to. Most gaming minis I've seen would earn a solid 3 here, while most 5s would drop jaws at your average D&D game.

That's true, personally, I have never played a game but I wouldn't put a model on the table without basic, neat highlighting and shading. Part of the reason why I will NEVER play a game as I'd never finish a force!

 

[Wicksy]

I gave up on the scores here after a while. What I really want is feedback on what works and what doesn't, but that rarely happens.

Still, the scores? I sometimes wonder whether the voters here have actually ever played a game and seen what 'table top quality' generally refers to. Most gaming minis I've seen would earn a solid 3 here, while most 5s would drop jaws at your average D&D game.

If you want to see what people in general think, then submit to the gallery. However, dont expect to have your ego stroked unless you're damned good. I have found the most useful place to post my mini pics in on the forum directly so i can have feedback. Or just do both then you get to see how you can make your mini better and improve your painting.

Unfortunately this thread reads like a typical whinge thread on an MMO forum. The corect answer IMHO is "Its fine, nothings broken. Its working as intended. Learn to play" Or in this case - learn to paint. You want a better score, learn how to paint and photograph your minis. There are a large number of people who will generously hand out their knolwedge for nothing more than a quick thank you.

 

[Herb the bitter]

If not for the scoring system I doubt I would visit the site. As others have mentioned the scoring system works as a filter. Sorry, but I am pressed for time and so don't have the luxury to browse every submission. There can be some very inspiring/creative stuff that doesn't score over 8, and I am know I am missing out, but setting that filter maximizes my return. My hat's off to the people who take time to leave comments on minis or in the forums. Something I should do more of.

No, the scoring system isn't perfect, but then again neither is my painting(.....................yet).

 

[David Kolacinski]

Hello, I have put some photos of my miniatures and I am a wargamer above all. I thus have no claim to be a great painter, but I think of having a correct level (and some interesting miniatures to show).
I do not want to play embittered, and I am very satisfied that this site exists to publish these photos. I agree with most of the arguments of this forum.
What I do not understand, it’s why some voters are so hard? Do we have to be Grandmaster painter to be lucky to have the average?!
It’s seem I’m not the only one who think that (and that it’s inefficient : even the low levels can be source of inspiration).
Indeed, on my miniatures, some puts me 2 or 3, even when they value a little more I think.
Personally, here is how I note:
10: Grandmaster level
9: Master level
8: golden level
7: silver level
6: bronze level
5: just correct level
4: insufficient
1-3: very insufficient (but I then prefer not to note in that case).
I base myself on the quality of the photo, the colors, used techniques and originality, as well as on my personal taste. A miniature where colors do not overflow and are coherent, where a minimum of nuances are visible, either where a work, even of low level, washing or dry brushing was correctly realized, seems to me to deserve at least 5/10...