poison_
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terrafirma, LOL you have raised a really important issue that has already been addressed by others (infelix): 'not bad at all'
please see his review.
A New Line Of Miniature Paints Is Being Born
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terrafirma, LOL you have raised a really important issue that has already been addressed by others (infelix): 'not bad at all'
please see his review.
poison_
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more sets will be available in the near future. I am waiting to receive a good amount of feedback first and make any necessary changes to the formulation
Splurch
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Just got mine in today. My caps seem to be different then the ones Moetle reviewed and are black (the ring that came off of his is not present on mine.) All the child proofness works 100% and all bottles stayed fully sealed during shipping.
First the cons, as they directly interact with the pros. The paint is a little thicker then other brands (Reaper, Vallejo, GW etc), and thicker in a different way as well. It's surface tension seems to be much stronger then those other brands and it doesn't get drawn into the brush as easily or with the same consistency as those other brands, the closest I've encountered to it is some very old GW that I have that has dried out just a little. Straight from the bottle the coverage seems to vary a lot as well. Pink 4 (the dark purple) seemed slightly thin (especially on edges after drying) while, surprising, Pink 2 (the lightest) was fantastic and 100% opaque. As for thinning, they seem very touchy. I tried with water, liquitex airbrush medium and even pure flow aid. The paint is hard to get to the right consistency for a general coat, too little and it continues to clump on the brush, too much and it's just not good coverage, there's a finer line then other paints when it comes to too little/too much thinning.
As for the pros. First, even though the paint is thick out of the bottle, it is very smooth after it dries. As I said, I wouldn't use it straight from the bottle due to the consistency, but it doesn't have a rough texture from being too thick as other brands usually do and did not obscure details after it had dried. The thing I like most actually comes about because of how finicky they are to thin I think. Thinning the paint to do layers is rather easy and they can put a fantastic, very slight layer/tint to something. The colors in the test set complement each other very well and crate a nice gradient without blending them. With enough blending/varied colors I think there's potential for some absolutely stunning layering done with these paints. The fact that they take so long to dry once on the palette/mini also speak quite well for their potential. The thinned paint stayed workable on my palette for quite a while after I was done with the testing. It's anti separating qualities also kept it easy to work with when it was very thinned, stirring was needed, but much less then what I'm used to for paint that has been heavily thinned. When heavily thinned, the paint holds/spreads very well in a controlled manner, whatever you've done to the pigments, they seem to be quite suited to this.
First the cons, as they directly interact with the pros. The paint is a little thicker then other brands (Reaper, Vallejo, GW etc), and thicker in a different way as well. It's surface tension seems to be much stronger then those other brands and it doesn't get drawn into the brush as easily or with the same consistency as those other brands, the closest I've encountered to it is some very old GW that I have that has dried out just a little. Straight from the bottle the coverage seems to vary a lot as well. Pink 4 (the dark purple) seemed slightly thin (especially on edges after drying) while, surprising, Pink 2 (the lightest) was fantastic and 100% opaque. As for thinning, they seem very touchy. I tried with water, liquitex airbrush medium and even pure flow aid. The paint is hard to get to the right consistency for a general coat, too little and it continues to clump on the brush, too much and it's just not good coverage, there's a finer line then other paints when it comes to too little/too much thinning.
As for the pros. First, even though the paint is thick out of the bottle, it is very smooth after it dries. As I said, I wouldn't use it straight from the bottle due to the consistency, but it doesn't have a rough texture from being too thick as other brands usually do and did not obscure details after it had dried. The thing I like most actually comes about because of how finicky they are to thin I think. Thinning the paint to do layers is rather easy and they can put a fantastic, very slight layer/tint to something. The colors in the test set complement each other very well and crate a nice gradient without blending them. With enough blending/varied colors I think there's potential for some absolutely stunning layering done with these paints. The fact that they take so long to dry once on the palette/mini also speak quite well for their potential. The thinned paint stayed workable on my palette for quite a while after I was done with the testing. It's anti separating qualities also kept it easy to work with when it was very thinned, stirring was needed, but much less then what I'm used to for paint that has been heavily thinned. When heavily thinned, the paint holds/spreads very well in a controlled manner, whatever you've done to the pigments, they seem to be quite suited to this.
moetle
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Thanks Gandalf. The paint does work with Testors grey primer, but I had to work it a bit more than the others. The scratch test I did was with a mini primed with the Testors.
They mix well with the Army Painter brand of paints, but I have not had the chance to mix them with any other brands yet...
poison_
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Thank you for sharing your experience you had with our paints. Very helpful review.
As I understand you would like the surface tension of the paint to be altered. You have tried to do so by using a medium or flow aid. What if we made available a special surfactant specifically designed for our range of paints? Will that help?
Splurch
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If you had a special surfactant designed for the range that might do the trick. The main problem I found was that in order to get the paint thin enough to where the brush readily absorbs it, the coverage just isn't very good for basecoating/detail.
Zab
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Hey Poison!
So I banged this little dude out in about 45 min last night using your paints...
I really like them. They are great for wet blending, layering, washes glazes and 2bb. They struggle a bit with opacity for base coating, but I care least about that. A few extra coats is no skin off my nose. I have not run them through the AB yet, but I'll get around to that. They mix well with GW and Reaper and dry nice and matte. They thin well with water or vallejo glaze medium too. They also take W&N varnish well
I will continue to use these to paint the Agent of Chaos' Star Wars Rebels minis I like the paints and their properties, but I'm not so sure beginners would like them since they seem a bit different to work with (a bit like scale 75 with their viscosity). I like the extended drying times too -I was working on this guy in between some other minis I was painting and kept going back when I was waiting for stuff to dry on the others and your paints stayed active with minimal work over a period of about 2hrs total with maybe 45 min of that time being actually spent painting this mini with these paints. I was using a dry well, not a wet palette for most of it, though they do stay active and nice on the wet palette too. Keep up the good work! I would suggest maybe consider a line of foundation type paints for base coating with reduced drying times and increased opacity
So I banged this little dude out in about 45 min last night using your paints...
I really like them. They are great for wet blending, layering, washes glazes and 2bb. They struggle a bit with opacity for base coating, but I care least about that. A few extra coats is no skin off my nose. I have not run them through the AB yet, but I'll get around to that. They mix well with GW and Reaper and dry nice and matte. They thin well with water or vallejo glaze medium too. They also take W&N varnish well
I will continue to use these to paint the Agent of Chaos' Star Wars Rebels minis I like the paints and their properties, but I'm not so sure beginners would like them since they seem a bit different to work with (a bit like scale 75 with their viscosity). I like the extended drying times too -I was working on this guy in between some other minis I was painting and kept going back when I was waiting for stuff to dry on the others and your paints stayed active with minimal work over a period of about 2hrs total with maybe 45 min of that time being actually spent painting this mini with these paints. I was using a dry well, not a wet palette for most of it, though they do stay active and nice on the wet palette too. Keep up the good work! I would suggest maybe consider a line of foundation type paints for base coating with reduced drying times and increased opacity Here is my feedback (so far)
The red 2's hue comes off far more orange than red. It is somewhere between a red-orange and orange than a red.
The black mixed well with reaper paints to shade some true metallic metal. Like others said it takes a lot of stirring and it stayed alive longer than most paints on my wet pallet.
I used a small little bit of orange with some reaper white and silvery metallic metal paint to make some edge highlights on my metal and to highlight in layers from highpoints on the miniature. The point was to make a highlight with contrast, but to keep the orange subdued in the brightness so it didn't come off as rust. It worked well. When mixing the orange with the white and metallic paint I could easily see the pigments. It took a lot of stirring to get it mixed.
Also when using thinned down red, it took a while to get it properly mixed.
Reaper's flow aid worked well with your paint, although I suspect it was not needed.
Your orange worked well in edge highlighting with multiple layers when thinned down over some parts that had gotten a bit dark. The end effect added a lot of contrast for a shadow to light line.
The red 2's hue comes off far more orange than red. It is somewhere between a red-orange and orange than a red.
The black mixed well with reaper paints to shade some true metallic metal. Like others said it takes a lot of stirring and it stayed alive longer than most paints on my wet pallet.
I used a small little bit of orange with some reaper white and silvery metallic metal paint to make some edge highlights on my metal and to highlight in layers from highpoints on the miniature. The point was to make a highlight with contrast, but to keep the orange subdued in the brightness so it didn't come off as rust. It worked well. When mixing the orange with the white and metallic paint I could easily see the pigments. It took a lot of stirring to get it mixed.
Also when using thinned down red, it took a while to get it properly mixed.
Reaper's flow aid worked well with your paint, although I suspect it was not needed.
Your orange worked well in edge highlighting with multiple layers when thinned down over some parts that had gotten a bit dark. The end effect added a lot of contrast for a shadow to light line.
Josh The Stampede
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Just got my set in the mail today, haven't gotten a chance to really use them. But I did do what I do with all new paints, which is open them and paint a bit of color onto the label or cap for easy reference, and even straight from the bottle I like the way they flow and the transparency. Hopefully I can test them out on a model soon. I do wish the beta set had had a blue in it, or a true red.
fluisterwoud
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I got my paints today. I'll do some initial tests later tonight and get some on a model tomorrow.
fluisterwoud
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Here is my little review:
First off, I like the bottles, they all gave nice consistent sized drops which some other bottles can fail to do. Though I don't need the child proof lid, I can see how many people would appreciate it and they're no inconvenience to use.
I decided to test the paints on a piece of plastic (in this case a lid to an empty kitty litter container) that was primed with black, grey and white spray paint (I use Rust-Oleum as my spray primer) and a GW plastic mini primed with Vallejo surface primer, Light Ghost.
Off the bat I noticed these paints are all very bright, to the point of being neon. With brighter paints being notoriously difficult to get good coverage out of I thought that over black and grey primer these paint may not look like they're performing as well as they may actually be. So I used my three brightest paints from my usual paint stock to show a little comparison.
Here's the break down, the top half is straight from the bottle, the bottom half is thinned down. The order of the paints is: Black 1, Yellow 1, Orange 3, Red 2, Yellow Green 2, Yellow Green 3, Green 3, Pink 2, Pink 3, Pink 4, Army Painter Demonic Yellow, Army Painter Lava Orange, P3 Carnal Pink.
Close ups, straight from the bottle:
Straight from the bottle these paints are thinner than most other ones I'm use to. They're comparable to Reaper Master Series. After a single coat, the coverage was pretty good especially compared to the bottom row. As predicted they worked much better over white than black or grey. They took a while to dry, much longer than I'm use to with other paints. This can be great when you want to some wet or 2 brush blending.
Thinned down:
Again over white performed best. Thinned down they did get good coverage with a single coat and there's a lot of color showing through, especially with the yellow and yellow green. I was surprised how much those colors popped on black with only a single coat. Of course after being thinned they take even longer to dry, this can be good or bad depending on your preferences. For me it was a little hard waiting for it to dry to put a second coat on the model lest I pull the paint away and create bare spots. But that's just me, I'm a bit of an impatient painter, I probably should wait longer anyway.
Speaking of the model:
When thinned down it took two coats of the black to get full coverage which I have no problem with. I thought it was the best of the bunch. The two oranges and Green 3 also had good coverage with two coats of paint. Yellow Green 3 needed 3-4 coats to look good. Yellow Green 2 and Yellow 1 need 4-5 coats and honestly it's hard to tell the difference in color on the model (Yellow Green 2 is on the shoulder pad). The pinks took the most coats and Pink 2 still isn't fully covered.
So the darker paints all had the better coverage which isn't too surprising. Bright paints are just harder to work with. And as someone said earlier, these are not for beginners. It took me quite a while to find a good thinning ratio. But while dealing with the paints, I never saw any separation or problems with the pigments.
Overall, I think these paints can be very good and I would be interested in trying more of them. I would really like to see how this paint is with darker and desaturated shades.
First off, I like the bottles, they all gave nice consistent sized drops which some other bottles can fail to do. Though I don't need the child proof lid, I can see how many people would appreciate it and they're no inconvenience to use.
I decided to test the paints on a piece of plastic (in this case a lid to an empty kitty litter container) that was primed with black, grey and white spray paint (I use Rust-Oleum as my spray primer) and a GW plastic mini primed with Vallejo surface primer, Light Ghost.
Off the bat I noticed these paints are all very bright, to the point of being neon. With brighter paints being notoriously difficult to get good coverage out of I thought that over black and grey primer these paint may not look like they're performing as well as they may actually be. So I used my three brightest paints from my usual paint stock to show a little comparison.
Here's the break down, the top half is straight from the bottle, the bottom half is thinned down. The order of the paints is: Black 1, Yellow 1, Orange 3, Red 2, Yellow Green 2, Yellow Green 3, Green 3, Pink 2, Pink 3, Pink 4, Army Painter Demonic Yellow, Army Painter Lava Orange, P3 Carnal Pink.
Close ups, straight from the bottle:
Straight from the bottle these paints are thinner than most other ones I'm use to. They're comparable to Reaper Master Series. After a single coat, the coverage was pretty good especially compared to the bottom row. As predicted they worked much better over white than black or grey. They took a while to dry, much longer than I'm use to with other paints. This can be great when you want to some wet or 2 brush blending.
Thinned down:
Again over white performed best. Thinned down they did get good coverage with a single coat and there's a lot of color showing through, especially with the yellow and yellow green. I was surprised how much those colors popped on black with only a single coat. Of course after being thinned they take even longer to dry, this can be good or bad depending on your preferences. For me it was a little hard waiting for it to dry to put a second coat on the model lest I pull the paint away and create bare spots. But that's just me, I'm a bit of an impatient painter, I probably should wait longer anyway.
Speaking of the model:
When thinned down it took two coats of the black to get full coverage which I have no problem with. I thought it was the best of the bunch. The two oranges and Green 3 also had good coverage with two coats of paint. Yellow Green 3 needed 3-4 coats to look good. Yellow Green 2 and Yellow 1 need 4-5 coats and honestly it's hard to tell the difference in color on the model (Yellow Green 2 is on the shoulder pad). The pinks took the most coats and Pink 2 still isn't fully covered.
So the darker paints all had the better coverage which isn't too surprising. Bright paints are just harder to work with. And as someone said earlier, these are not for beginners. It took me quite a while to find a good thinning ratio. But while dealing with the paints, I never saw any separation or problems with the pigments.
Overall, I think these paints can be very good and I would be interested in trying more of them. I would really like to see how this paint is with darker and desaturated shades.
evl hmr
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I've had my paints close to a week now, I've used them but for some reason my photos aren't downloading! anyway, I love the caps. Child proof is how all companies should close their paints. The colours do dry with a slight mat finish, not Scale75 mat but a nice non shine which I prefer. They come out of the airbrush really well. I've shot them out of a 1.5 needle and only thinned them with some Scale75 thinner and they are great. As most people have said, the coverage is really nice, the closest I can get is the old GW foundation paints, but without the thickness and quick drying speed. I only use Vallejo grey and white undercoat and the paints stick to both really well. The colours are a little 'bright', which whilst good also limits the use of them on everyday models, however, with the proposed colour line, I can see these as a good addition to the marketplace.
As fluisterwoud mentioned, they are really good for 2BB, I would ask Meg maples to have a go with them, as she is a master of this technique. Also, they perform just as good in the heat as they do in the cold temperature, which for me is great as in the summer months I have dried paint in a couple of minutes on the palette.
As fluisterwoud mentioned, they are really good for 2BB, I would ask Meg maples to have a go with them, as she is a master of this technique. Also, they perform just as good in the heat as they do in the cold temperature, which for me is great as in the summer months I have dried paint in a couple of minutes on the palette.
MiniArt
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I was glad to be one of the first people to try out Poison Paints. They arrived today and I already had some miniatures I wanted to try them with. So far this evening I used the pink triad paints. This pink triad is what got me to jump on board with trying them out. It is hard to find an intense pink color in the miniature paint lines out there. Like everyone has said, it takes a few layers to get even coverage especially on grey primer but after a few layers it, the color result is bright and not chalky at all. I like the pinks so far and can't wait to try the rest. They remind me a little of Scale 75 paints. If you have ever used them, they take awhile to dry too and go on pretty thin. It takes some time getting used to especially if you normally work with P3, Citadel, or Warpaints which all tend to dry quicker. I'll update my review as I use them. I also like the childproof caps. I have transferred all my P3 and Citadel paints to similar bottles with those caps.
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fluisterwoud
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So tonight I was using some Orange 3 to glaze highlights on TMM copper and it was working very well. When I was done I just added an equal amount of Green 3 and a single drop of Yellow Green 3 and it made a nice color. I thinned it more and glazed it on this nurglish skin and it turned out really nice. I also glazed it on the green face on the waist. It was basecoated in Army Painter Angel Green, I used 5 or 6 layers of glaze, then added some Ivory to the mix and used it as a highlight. I'm really happy with the results.
Minx Studio
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We bought the paints, and I found them to be very subpar for most of the techniques applied during painting.
Compared to other brands we found no advantage or need for this particular brand as compared to existing brands
Ultimately the reasons:
-Too thin out the bottle, or rather too fluid, very difficult to edge highlight or use for highlighting. More difficult to control since its already pre-thinned.
-Its very pasty which is very deceiving in how the application goes, I did not feel I could confidently determine how thick or thin or how even my stroke was.
-The colours are nice and bright, which is important, however average painters will always be concerned with application over black primer due to a lack of understanding of colour theory---> Desaturated colours are always best for that as they are closest to grey/black. Saturated colours are crucial for painting as they are used for creating volume and depth in a figure and allow a painter to reduce saturation, since its impossible to increase saturation!
-I did find these colours to be deceiving out of the bottle, whatever the case the bottle itself looks waaaaaay different than the colour inside atleast in wet mode.
-In addition the colours are so similiar to the point I couldnt even find uses for half of them.
-This product would only find use being applied over white primer.
-I should note, this brand seems to be exclusively for glazing, hence why its suited for white primer only.
GW, P3, Vallejo and the other smaller brands still seem far superior or more useful and universal.
Even at a highly reduced price, I couldnt recommend this paint line.
Compared to other brands we found no advantage or need for this particular brand as compared to existing brands
Ultimately the reasons:
-Too thin out the bottle, or rather too fluid, very difficult to edge highlight or use for highlighting. More difficult to control since its already pre-thinned.
-Its very pasty which is very deceiving in how the application goes, I did not feel I could confidently determine how thick or thin or how even my stroke was.
-The colours are nice and bright, which is important, however average painters will always be concerned with application over black primer due to a lack of understanding of colour theory---> Desaturated colours are always best for that as they are closest to grey/black. Saturated colours are crucial for painting as they are used for creating volume and depth in a figure and allow a painter to reduce saturation, since its impossible to increase saturation!
-I did find these colours to be deceiving out of the bottle, whatever the case the bottle itself looks waaaaaay different than the colour inside atleast in wet mode.
-In addition the colours are so similiar to the point I couldnt even find uses for half of them.
-This product would only find use being applied over white primer.
-I should note, this brand seems to be exclusively for glazing, hence why its suited for white primer only.
GW, P3, Vallejo and the other smaller brands still seem far superior or more useful and universal.
Even at a highly reduced price, I couldnt recommend this paint line.
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I'm a beginner with only a year and about 40 minis under my belt. I have only used Reaper MSP, so I can't really make any strong comparisons, but overall, I like these paints. The childproof caps, the intensity of the colors, and the tendency to stay "alive" for a long time on my wet palette were all things that I really liked. I agree that they do not seem to base coat things well when watered down, but they are excellent for glazing/highlighting. Also, do not try to prime/basecoat a Reaper Bones with these as the paint just beads up and doesnt cover at all. I can't complain about that though, since most paints dont work great on Bones, and most minis are primed anyways. More a heads up for any Bones fans out there.
This is a Bugbear Captain that got the poison treatment. I started with a Nightmare Black base over the whole mini. There was no blue tones included in the beta pack, so I thought starting with a blue base would allow me to get some variety into the mini without using any of my other Reaper MSPs.
I then proceeded to go nutso painting and mixing and painting and mixing, and ended up here. I rarely finish minis... I get them to this point and lose interest.
The only non-Poison paints were the Honed Steel (metal bits) and Dirty Bone (teeth, claws, etc)
My final thought is that I love the naming system. If anything, I would like to see it even more transparent than Yellow 1, 2, etc. It would be awesome to know the specific "formula" of each color, though I don't know if the company will want to share that kind of info openly. Just an idea.
In the end though, we vote with our wallet, right? I will use these paints when I'm looking to do purples/pinks and yellow-ish greens as I love the intensity of the provided colors. However, I likely won't be purchasing more anytime soon as I've grown accustomed to Reapers paints and I'm not quite ready to branch out of my comfort zone...yet. But at the price point that has been hinted at, I could definitely see myself picking up a couple of groups of "triads" in the future.
This is a Bugbear Captain that got the poison treatment. I started with a Nightmare Black base over the whole mini. There was no blue tones included in the beta pack, so I thought starting with a blue base would allow me to get some variety into the mini without using any of my other Reaper MSPs.
I then proceeded to go nutso painting and mixing and painting and mixing, and ended up here. I rarely finish minis... I get them to this point and lose interest.
The only non-Poison paints were the Honed Steel (metal bits) and Dirty Bone (teeth, claws, etc)
My final thought is that I love the naming system. If anything, I would like to see it even more transparent than Yellow 1, 2, etc. It would be awesome to know the specific "formula" of each color, though I don't know if the company will want to share that kind of info openly. Just an idea.
In the end though, we vote with our wallet, right? I will use these paints when I'm looking to do purples/pinks and yellow-ish greens as I love the intensity of the provided colors. However, I likely won't be purchasing more anytime soon as I've grown accustomed to Reapers paints and I'm not quite ready to branch out of my comfort zone...yet. But at the price point that has been hinted at, I could definitely see myself picking up a couple of groups of "triads" in the future.
poison_
New member
Overall we are very happy with the feedback we have received from all of you guys.
The paints meet the expectations of the buyer and they perform really well (more than 90% satisfaction).
We are currently making some slight changes to the formula to achieve even better results and working on all the colors.
We hope to be able to launch all the colours before the end of May 2015.
One major change though will be the name: They will NOT be called Poison Warpaints...
The paints meet the expectations of the buyer and they perform really well (more than 90% satisfaction).
We are currently making some slight changes to the formula to achieve even better results and working on all the colors.
We hope to be able to launch all the colours before the end of May 2015.
One major change though will be the name: They will NOT be called Poison Warpaints...
Canny
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ok mine arrived in the weekend I have had a little play with them and agree, they are great for glazing and have vibrant colour. they do bead a little bit sometimes on a vallejo primmed surface. The black was good for 2bblending. I enjoed using them but think the consistency/viscosity was a little strange. there is hardly any dilution needed.
All in all I quite liked them through the AB and brush.
All in all I quite liked them through the AB and brush.
