3rd graders plan to kill teacher
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mrrocknroll
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That\'s really screwed up, 3rd Grade isn\'t that like 10 years old or so? I\'m English so not up to date with US education systems. And it all happened because one of them was told to sit at the naughty table 
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But if you look away from the \"Intent to harm their teacher part\" those kids have obviously been taught right, working as a team for one, and the way they was giving each other different objectives like cleaning up and blacking out windows, those kinda things take some team work. Of course I\'m not condoning what they was planning to do.
.But if you look away from the \"Intent to harm their teacher part\" those kids have obviously been taught right, working as a team for one, and the way they was giving each other different objectives like cleaning up and blacking out windows, those kinda things take some team work. Of course I\'m not condoning what they was planning to do.
fieldarchy
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mmm 3rd grade would be about the 9-10 range, correct. You figure you are 7 when you enter first grade usually.
fieldarchy
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depends on when your birthday is too . . . and when you enter school.
Well that is seriously screwed up!
mrrocknroll
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WooooW I got it right :beer::drunk:
Just spoke to a mate of mine who\'s training for children teaching and she\'s told me that these kinda things ain\'t so rare as you may think, well take away the killing part and you would be surprised as to how many teachers get assaulted by their students at young ages.
I hate to be the one to say it but what the hell is wrong with our country!? Seriously, 10 year olds with enough know how to commit premeditated murder/assault. I know nothing actually happened, but I have a hard time taking this lightly... if a teenagers had been found on campus with a steak knife and shards of glass along with hand-cuffs and duct-tape this would be causing a national riot and dramatic shift in the presidential campaign trail! It\'s just dissapointing that our culture (or lack there of) has degenerated to this point.
wiccanpony
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??? what ever happen to the old thumb tack on the teacher\'s chair
the news is reporting the the kids will get off and should be back in school soon. I smell a deal here if this is so.
the news is reporting the the kids will get off and should be back in school soon. I smell a deal here if this is so.
TyphusoftheDH
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Clever little bastards...
Friar
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Somebody let their kid watch Children of the Corn. Can\'t believe the one had a hunk of glass 9 years old and already making a prison shiv. Sad sad thing but on the bright side there was one kid with the balls to do what was right. I also have a feeling there were a few with some serious issues who were serious and the rest just getting swept up in it. At that age it can be easy to let make believe and reality get twisted together.
freakinacage
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i\'m impressed. i wish our police we as organised as those kids!
hubbabubba
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Originally posted by pez5767
I hate to be the one to say it but what the hell is wrong with our country!? Seriously, 10 year olds with enough know how to commit premeditated murder/assault. I know nothing actually happened, but I have a hard time taking this lightly... if a teenagers had been found on campus with a steak knife and shards of glass along with hand-cuffs and duct-tape this would be causing a national riot and dramatic shift in the presidential campaign trail! It\'s just dissapointing that our culture (or lack there of) has degenerated to this point.
I don\'t thinks it\'s just your country, but like in alot of other fashions, you still seem to be leading the world, even if it is directly into the shit.
Why does this happen? I don\'t pretend to know the answer but I think children suffer from a disassociation of violence from its consequences.
Folks, make sure you know what little Johnny\'s playing on his PS3 or looking at on the internet, or the crap that he\'s absorbing from the TV.
Long live Blue Peter.....:drunk:
MPJ
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Yesterday was our annual Spring Kick Off thingie at work (day long rah-rah session to pump people up). We had a motivational speaker in who talked a lot of mumbo-jumbo (can\'t say I\'m really into motivational speakers) but he did have a good point on generational differences.
The speaker pointed out that the Baby-Boomers are a generation guided by fear (not fear as in ooh, I\'m scared, there\'s my shadow). Fear of loss or poverty. Many of them lived through lean times and if they didn\'t their parents almost certainly did so they grew up \'fearing\' that state of existence.
The kids of today (generation X, generation Y, etc...) no longer have this \'without feeling\' and are motivated purely by desire. Since they have never done without and since their parents are by quite some degree the most wealthy generation ever they have few inhibitions and are far less likely to consider the long term consequences of their actions (though apparently \'long term\' can mean hours).
Anyway, I just thought that was relevant and that I should share it. :drunk:
The speaker pointed out that the Baby-Boomers are a generation guided by fear (not fear as in ooh, I\'m scared, there\'s my shadow). Fear of loss or poverty. Many of them lived through lean times and if they didn\'t their parents almost certainly did so they grew up \'fearing\' that state of existence.
The kids of today (generation X, generation Y, etc...) no longer have this \'without feeling\' and are motivated purely by desire. Since they have never done without and since their parents are by quite some degree the most wealthy generation ever they have few inhibitions and are far less likely to consider the long term consequences of their actions (though apparently \'long term\' can mean hours).
Anyway, I just thought that was relevant and that I should share it. :drunk:
Sand Rat
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As a Gen X\'er and an anthropologist, your motivational speaker was full of fertilizer.
The Boomer\'s grew up in the period of greatest wealth in US history. My father was born at the tail end of the depression - his parents, and the boomer\'s parents and grandparents lived through the Depression, not the boomers. Boomers were never motivated by fear as a group as a whole - they may have been motivated by personal growth or want, or Jim Jones, Charlie Manson, or EST - but never fear or want.
And its by and large the children of this group and their grandchildren that are the little monsters we have today - because they grew up without limits.
The Boomer\'s grew up in the period of greatest wealth in US history. My father was born at the tail end of the depression - his parents, and the boomer\'s parents and grandparents lived through the Depression, not the boomers. Boomers were never motivated by fear as a group as a whole - they may have been motivated by personal growth or want, or Jim Jones, Charlie Manson, or EST - but never fear or want.
And its by and large the children of this group and their grandchildren that are the little monsters we have today - because they grew up without limits.
BarstoolProphet
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Here we have a subject bound to set me off on a long-winded tirade.
Where to begin?
I have seen similar threads in the past, here and elsewhere, and it is one of those proverbial powder-kegs.
There are people who feel strongly for the system as it is, and others that think it has become far too lenient.
I am of the latter group.
In an earlier thread here, I saw references to Dr. Spock, and his earlier works that discussed the \'long term drawbacks\' that can be brought about by corporal punishment (ie: spanking). It was also mentioned, correctly, that Dr. Spock has since recanted on that philosophy, citing the difference between an appropriate spanking for excessively bad behaviour and outright abuse.
But Dr. Spock\'s recanting on that early work has been largely ignored by society and the law-makers. Whitney Houston sang \"I believe the children are the future\", and this is true. However, understanding that, we still need to keep in mind that children growing up without limitations or consequences for such serious actions is not going to teach them to be a good future for mankind.
Above, it was stated that the baby boomers have grown up into one of the wealthiest generations, which may be true. I do not know finances. To me, they are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Having or not having do not seem to be much involved in who is commiting these crimes. Rich or poor, if you are under 18, you have a very good chance of doing just about anything you want and getting away with it.
This, to me, is the ultimate form of wrong. As adults, it is our job to educate our children. Not just intellectually, but morally. Right and wrong should not depend on how old you are. Action and consequence should not depend on how old you are.
\"What kind of future will child X have if it is known that he assaulted ten little girls when he was fifteen?\" As far as I\'m concerned, child X would have exactly the future he or she deserved if they did such a thing.
When it is personal, when the child lives in your city, you should be able to know who has commited some kind of horrible crime, or conspired to commit one. Conspiracy to commit a murder is a capital crime, I believe (any lawyer may correct me at will if I\'m wrong), and if my child (if I had any) were in school with such a child, I would definitely want to know.
This lack of knowledge can only promote fear-mongering behaviour and paranoia. It leaves parents thinking \'what if it\'s little Joe\'s best friend?\'.
And the onus of teaching the intellectual aspect is already large on the teachers in the schools. It is beyond presumptuous of parents to expect the teachers to also be the moral compasses. That is the parents\' job.
Yet the economy, for all the wonderful \'things\' we have to improve our standard of living, is pretty crappy. Most people can not get by without both parents working, which means that there is noone staying home to be with the children and teach them these most important life lessons.
Ultimately, where does responsibility lie? I don\'t have an answer to that question. We are genetically geared to do what we have to, to survive. We are educated in our society to believe that this means working hard and having \'things\'. We are not \'doing well\' unless we have these \'things\'.
I worry for our world, for our children, for us all. Things need to change, and we don\'t seem to know where to start.
Where to begin?
I have seen similar threads in the past, here and elsewhere, and it is one of those proverbial powder-kegs.
There are people who feel strongly for the system as it is, and others that think it has become far too lenient.
I am of the latter group.
In an earlier thread here, I saw references to Dr. Spock, and his earlier works that discussed the \'long term drawbacks\' that can be brought about by corporal punishment (ie: spanking). It was also mentioned, correctly, that Dr. Spock has since recanted on that philosophy, citing the difference between an appropriate spanking for excessively bad behaviour and outright abuse.
But Dr. Spock\'s recanting on that early work has been largely ignored by society and the law-makers. Whitney Houston sang \"I believe the children are the future\", and this is true. However, understanding that, we still need to keep in mind that children growing up without limitations or consequences for such serious actions is not going to teach them to be a good future for mankind.
Above, it was stated that the baby boomers have grown up into one of the wealthiest generations, which may be true. I do not know finances. To me, they are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Having or not having do not seem to be much involved in who is commiting these crimes. Rich or poor, if you are under 18, you have a very good chance of doing just about anything you want and getting away with it.
This, to me, is the ultimate form of wrong. As adults, it is our job to educate our children. Not just intellectually, but morally. Right and wrong should not depend on how old you are. Action and consequence should not depend on how old you are.
\"What kind of future will child X have if it is known that he assaulted ten little girls when he was fifteen?\" As far as I\'m concerned, child X would have exactly the future he or she deserved if they did such a thing.
When it is personal, when the child lives in your city, you should be able to know who has commited some kind of horrible crime, or conspired to commit one. Conspiracy to commit a murder is a capital crime, I believe (any lawyer may correct me at will if I\'m wrong), and if my child (if I had any) were in school with such a child, I would definitely want to know.
This lack of knowledge can only promote fear-mongering behaviour and paranoia. It leaves parents thinking \'what if it\'s little Joe\'s best friend?\'.
And the onus of teaching the intellectual aspect is already large on the teachers in the schools. It is beyond presumptuous of parents to expect the teachers to also be the moral compasses. That is the parents\' job.
Yet the economy, for all the wonderful \'things\' we have to improve our standard of living, is pretty crappy. Most people can not get by without both parents working, which means that there is noone staying home to be with the children and teach them these most important life lessons.
Ultimately, where does responsibility lie? I don\'t have an answer to that question. We are genetically geared to do what we have to, to survive. We are educated in our society to believe that this means working hard and having \'things\'. We are not \'doing well\' unless we have these \'things\'.
I worry for our world, for our children, for us all. Things need to change, and we don\'t seem to know where to start.
I\'m buying a beer for my new friend, BarstoolProphet!
Seriously, third graders conspiring to attack their teacher? We are going down the crapper.
Recently a schoolteacher friend of mine told me that in a small town near our own, the entire 6th grade class (approximately 13 in all) skipped school, broke into an abandoned trailer, and had an orgy. I was in total and utter disbelief, and if I hadn\'t known my source was so reliable, I wouldn\'t have believed it.
I really worry about my kids, but I know the only thing I can do is try to give them the best guidance possible for navigating our extremely f*cked up world.
Seriously, third graders conspiring to attack their teacher? We are going down the crapper.
Recently a schoolteacher friend of mine told me that in a small town near our own, the entire 6th grade class (approximately 13 in all) skipped school, broke into an abandoned trailer, and had an orgy. I was in total and utter disbelief, and if I hadn\'t known my source was so reliable, I wouldn\'t have believed it.
I really worry about my kids, but I know the only thing I can do is try to give them the best guidance possible for navigating our extremely f*cked up world.
