7.6/7.7 --> 8.0 What\'s needed?

[mobosix]

Hey guys, I\'ve go t two minis that are at 7.6 and 7.7 right now and I was wondering what they needed to be an 8? What are they missing/lacking and such?

Thanks!

Eldar Farseer
http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=49033&c=All&m=All&nm=none

Korduis
http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=48910&c=All&m=All&nm=none

 

[Calavera]

Well... i don\'t actually like the pure off-white runes... a beige to white would have looked better IMO.. and the highlights on the back of the cloak could be smoother as with the back of the horns.. but i really like him, especially the base.. and i gave him an 8 a few minutes ago

 

[mobosix]

Thanks for the comments. I\'ll try and blend the highlights some more from now on. An thanks for the vote.

Any thoughts on Kordius??

 

[KingM]

A freehand design on the cloak maybe?

the problem with trying to get 8+ is that people have to be giving your minis 9s, I have had problems progressing from 7.8/7.7 to 8+ myself, and I still haven\'t cracked it

 

[Dragonsreach]

I\'m wondering what your, initial own vote was when you posted?
If you post at an average of about 5 you find that your scores go up and generally reflect a truer picture of the regard people have for the mini.

 

[mobosix]

@ KingM: Your right about people having to give you 9s, and I honestly don\'t think either of these are 9s. I do think they are higher 7s then what they are showing though. Guess I\'m just a little basis It seems kind of odd that a \"Great\" mini has to be voted better then great to really be a \"Great\" mini ???

@Dragonsreach: I don\'t remember exactly what I rated it when I posted them, but I\'m pretty sure it was a 6 for both. Maybe a 7 if I was feeling cocky I agree that by posting them as a 5, I\'d see them rise in score to a greater extent, but would that change the \"final\" rating much??

Thanks for the replies guys, I’m still pretty new at this whole CMoN thing and I’m just trying to get a feel for it. If you don\'t mind telling me, what did you guys rate them?

 

[dauber22]

Originally posted by mobosix
@ KingM: Your right about people having to give you 9s, and I honestly don\'t think either of these are 9s. I do think they are higher 7s then what they are showing though. Guess I\'m just a little basis It seems kind of odd that a \"Great\" mini has to be voted better then great to really be a \"Great\" mini ???

I really don\'t think you should worry too greatly about the difference between a high 7 and a low 7. That always seemed a bit niggling to me. BEsides, when you start to get that detailed, you\'re expecting the voting here to be an exact science. Believe me, it\'s anything but! Just search out one of the old \"voting\" threads here and you\'ll see just how much people\'s voting schemes vary. One person\'s 8 may be another person\'s 6. Or one operson might vote a particular mini an 8 one day and a 5 the next if they happen to be feeling pissy. I think you should use the votes as little more than a rough guideline.

And there\'s really nothing \"odd\" about the way it works. It\'s called \"averaging\". That\'s why there will (more than likely) never be either a true \"10\" or a true \"1\" score. It just ain\'t gonna happen.

 

[finn17]

Right.....

I will deliberately be \'picky\' because you have asked for criticism. I wouldn\'t normally be this observant or critical.

IMO

Eldar:
The photo of the Eldar is letting you down. Looks good but you can\'t really see any detail. Therefore can\'t criticise or praise.

Kordius:
Photo is much better, but this means that all the faulrts are obvious.
There is what looks like a mould line on the base of the axe.
The blade of the axe has a \'flat\' which could be battle damage, but it hasn\'t been painted that way.
The eyes don\'t quite work for me. He looks a little too starey.
The back view shows axe with same mould line.
Back view NMM simply does not work. It just looks grey. Paint on axe head also looks thick.

I do love your chrome, and the Medusa\'s head however.

A year ago this would easily be in the 8\'s, now, it would appear to be a much tougher world

 

[mobosix]

@ dauber: I really do use the score as just a guild line, but since I use this site as a whole to help improve my painting, the small differences matter a little bit.

@finn17: By all means point every thing out. That\'s the only way to learn really.

Not sure what the mold line is you see. Maybe my \"horizon\" for the SENMM?

I see the flat your talking about and I\'ll remember either to clean it up or paint it as a chip next time. Good point.

What do you think would make the eyes look better?

So, the NMM of the axe should be lighter in color? And your right, it is a little think. I had to paint it several times to get it that good

Thanks for the \"walk thru critique\". I\'m glad you like the chrome. I feel it looks \"off\" just a bit for some reason, but I\"m not sure why. I think the medusa head is okay. The snakes did not come out as good as I had hoped.

And your sooo right about the quality of painting going up a lot in the last year or so!

I\'m not sure what happened with the farseer pictures. They were taken at the same time with the same lighting and camera. I guess they should just be bigger, like the Kordius ones?

 

[klute_in_the_valute]

I like them on the whole but some points I noticed were,
1.some of the chrome reflections are wrong on Korduis,remember downward faces reflect earth and up sky.Vertical or nearly vertical only reflect both.The color choice is good though.
2.if going to the bother of painting finger nails then I define them with a dark nail first then a slightly smaller light tone.Pure white looks too clean imo,same with whites of eyes.

A tip for the chrome is from watercolors.Use pure white only for the lightest light source on the mini.Use off white (cream etc) for other \"white\" areas.This way the reflection will always be the brightest part of the mini.

Still 7-8 for me on both of them.Even if you did some things to improve you might not see score improvements.These days anything above 6 and Im happy.

 

[mobosix]

klute, actually, on Kordius, I did not use any pure white. The highest I worked any thing up to was Vallejo Foundation White with just a hint of the last highlight color. I guess I need to use more of the last color mixed in though. That is a very good tip about having a good amount of contrast between the highest non reflection highlight and the reflections. I\'ll make sure to do that next time around. Same with the finger nails. Thanks.

I\'ve got some more pics of Kordius up at ...
http://www.minis.moboleathers.com/kordius.htm

It shows some side shots. I\'ve been told before that the chrome is off. Not sure how to paint it though. Take a look at the side shots and let me know what I should do different if you don\'t mind. Some of the angles on the knee point down, but the actual surface of is facing up. This part really through me for a loop...it did not help this was my very first attempt at chrome.

Thanks for the feed back and help guys.

 

[supervike]

At least an eight...

I really like the Kordius fellow. The only thing that I\'d comment on is why the breastplate isn\'t painted in the same style as the other armor.

On both minis I like your clean bright style. Voting on this site has become increasingly tough, but then again some of the best painters in the world display their goods here.

 

[mobosix]

Thanks supervike. I had thought about doing his breastplate in chrome as well. Before I paint up a mini like the Spyglass ones, I like to think up a little background and personality for them.

For this Kordius, I envisioned him as a no non sense, down to business kind of guy. That\'s why the axe and breast plate are good old heave steel. The chrome parts of his armor came about because of his growing reputation. He\'s starting to show his vane side. I know none of this is apparent for people just looking at him. Maybe putting that in the write up with the picture would help.

Glad you liked him.

 

[klute_in_the_valute]

Some of the angles on the knee point down, but the actual surface of is facing up.

I think that what you are saying here seems like you are taking each piece of armour as one whole plate.
Break down every surface on the armour.
If its horizontal or near it will reflect sky and earth.
If it faces up it will reflect only sky.
If it faces down it will reflect only earth.
Theres a couple of good articles to look at that describe this better.Chrispy\'s comes to mind.
The color tones on your sky earth are really good btw,very clean and definite.

 

[MaestroOfMayhem]

More votes, the second one is a fair score I think. Also work on your blending.