A bit of spleen venting....
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They have no choice but to view it as \"their\" country, that\'s the way it works, it\'s still \"their\" responsibility,
I\'m an independant, but have increasingly leaned away from the Democrats for this exact reason, lack of responsibility, pointing fingers, it\'s not \'my\" fault I voted for the other guy.
And really, who does the Dems have to offer for next election, their are no Huey P. Longs anymore.
And as to Clinton and \"no one hated us\", bullshit, honey.
I\'ve travelled this globe 3 times, it has always been fashionable to hate America.
And as to the rest of the world, everyone seems to agree that getting rid of Saddam was a good thing, yet no one did anything, the world failed the Iraqi people, and now you complain when someone dids come along and do something.
Maybe it\'s not the way you would have done it, but you weren\'t doing anything so we\'ll never know.
Stop pointing the finger.
Accept responsibility for your own inaction.
I agree with you RedDawn. I don\'t vote party lines, that is as an ignorant way to participate in the system. I look for the candidate that is the sharpest and seems to \"get it\", regardless of their party affiliation (or party affliction as it were
). I was an independent early in life but wanted to participate in the primary elections, so I chose the party that best fit me at the time (quite a while back). I am gravely reconsidering that position. The US works best with at least 2 strong parties, the inevitable debates tend to lean things to the middle of the road were most of the populace exists instead of the extremes that politicos use to get elected, a good system. The FAR right wing has WAY too much power right now and the people have got to start speaking up clearly, intelligently, and with passion or the next 3 years are just going to get worse.
As mentioned in other posts, the US people are not George Bush, and at this point largely dis-favor his policies. We as a people are no more those policies, than the Germans are Hitler\'s policies, than Italians are Mussolini\'s policies, etc...... Which is why we can agree with so many of our brothers and sisters from other lands. And at least in \"free\" countries we have the right to say it without fear of retribution.
). I was an independent early in life but wanted to participate in the primary elections, so I chose the party that best fit me at the time (quite a while back). I am gravely reconsidering that position. The US works best with at least 2 strong parties, the inevitable debates tend to lean things to the middle of the road were most of the populace exists instead of the extremes that politicos use to get elected, a good system. The FAR right wing has WAY too much power right now and the people have got to start speaking up clearly, intelligently, and with passion or the next 3 years are just going to get worse.As mentioned in other posts, the US people are not George Bush, and at this point largely dis-favor his policies. We as a people are no more those policies, than the Germans are Hitler\'s policies, than Italians are Mussolini\'s policies, etc...... Which is why we can agree with so many of our brothers and sisters from other lands. And at least in \"free\" countries we have the right to say it without fear of retribution.
Stop pointing the finger.
Accept responsibility for your own inaction.
Evil Dave, exactly why I identified as a Republican, I am not a blamer and think it is time for the populace to stop standing idly by and watching all of this damage occur and start rattling some cages. Societies ills will never be solved by yet another government program. Remember one of the scariest statements any of us could run into is someone saying \"I\'m from the government, and I\'m here to help\". YIKES!!!
Accept responsibility for your own inaction.
Evil Dave, exactly why I identified as a Republican, I am not a blamer and think it is time for the populace to stop standing idly by and watching all of this damage occur and start rattling some cages. Societies ills will never be solved by yet another government program. Remember one of the scariest statements any of us could run into is someone saying \"I\'m from the government, and I\'m here to help\". YIKES!!!
Orb
procrastinator
Evil Dave. Please persuade your powerful and mighty military (that helps industry by being so big) to invade and liberate the people of Zimbabwe. Their leader is a despot and people are suffering.
But there\'s no benefit to American business in doing that tho. Ho-hum.
And the UK should do something other than shaking hands (whoops). So we\'re rubbish too; double standards.
Of course the world failed Iraq. But going in gung ho was not the way. Making up reasons to invade was simply wrong. And the Iraqui people are STILL suffering.
But there\'s no benefit to American business in doing that tho. Ho-hum.
And the UK should do something other than shaking hands (whoops). So we\'re rubbish too; double standards.
Of course the world failed Iraq. But going in gung ho was not the way. Making up reasons to invade was simply wrong. And the Iraqui people are STILL suffering.
Ah god bless a political debate to get people talking.
As for the natural disasters, no matter what type or where they happen or who they happen to, they are terrible things.
Here in the UK it seems like a one party system even though it\'s not. More people voted other that Labour but they are the majority government for the third term because of two opposition parties who are excellent at self destruction at crucial moments or general ineptitude, some democracy we have.
As for Iraq, yes it\'s a mess over there but it was pretty bloody awful before we went. We know more about it because we are there and hearing about it endlessly on the all pervading 24hr news. I didn\'t think we should have invaded when we did and certainly not without more numbers on the ground and politically, but what\'s done is done and we have to move on from the situation as it is now. It won\'t suddenly improve and become a utopia if we just bugger off and leave them to it. We just need to realise we are in for the longhaul on this one. Look how long it took to rebuild Europe after the war, the after effects are still felt today.
Ah well back to coursework
As for the natural disasters, no matter what type or where they happen or who they happen to, they are terrible things.
Here in the UK it seems like a one party system even though it\'s not. More people voted other that Labour but they are the majority government for the third term because of two opposition parties who are excellent at self destruction at crucial moments or general ineptitude, some democracy we have.
As for Iraq, yes it\'s a mess over there but it was pretty bloody awful before we went. We know more about it because we are there and hearing about it endlessly on the all pervading 24hr news. I didn\'t think we should have invaded when we did and certainly not without more numbers on the ground and politically, but what\'s done is done and we have to move on from the situation as it is now. It won\'t suddenly improve and become a utopia if we just bugger off and leave them to it. We just need to realise we are in for the longhaul on this one. Look how long it took to rebuild Europe after the war, the after effects are still felt today.
Ah well back to coursework
the problem is...
Read the book by the canadian soldier in somalia during the genocide. The soldiers their asked for help. USA, Britain, etc did nothing...HMM, i wonder why? no oil there.
They could have helped a bit atleast. Even if they couldn\'t, they never tried. Then, going to other countries upon lies doesn\'t help either. (weapons of mass destruction anyone?)
It\'s obvious why the attitude to the usa is as it is now...
*shrug*
Seems quite normal nowadays.
Sanjay
Read the book by the canadian soldier in somalia during the genocide. The soldiers their asked for help. USA, Britain, etc did nothing...HMM, i wonder why? no oil there.
They could have helped a bit atleast. Even if they couldn\'t, they never tried. Then, going to other countries upon lies doesn\'t help either. (weapons of mass destruction anyone?)
It\'s obvious why the attitude to the usa is as it is now...
*shrug*
Seems quite normal nowadays.
Sanjay
And the inability of the various factions in that country to come to consensus due to their basic fundamental religous differences..... Maybe they HAD the government they deserved, only a complete and utter tyrant is going to keep those disperate factions from going to war with each other. That\'s not saying I support Sadam or his actions, but it was up to the people or Iraq to change that fact, not an outside force. We weren\'t invited, they don\'t want us, we shouldn\'t be there. Somehow we don\'t learn from our own history Vietnam, Korea, Iraq.... Desert Storm was at least more justified, Sadam projected power and took over an ally. We stepped in at the request of Kuwait\'s government and drove them out, then we fortified their defenses and LEFT... Every time this country tries to become the policemen of the world it is a disaster, sooner or later.
If the UN isn\'t going to back us, and help foot the bill, then why should we invade?
When you\'re paying the bill you get to choose were to dine.
Iraq does have business benefit, I\'ll grant you that.
But if it works, if it works, it will be bringing a big change to the people in the middle east who are stuck in the dark ages.
Freedom catches on, people seeing what their neighbors have, start to want the same thing.
If this works this will be the biggest stabilizing force in an area that has been in turmoil for centuries. Benefiting everyone.
Ah, you 2 do a good job of pointing out the fundamental hypocrisy of the economic power\'s \"interests\". Only \"interested\" when there is gobs of money, oil, or power involved. And yes Iraq was \" bloody awful\", but is it really any better off now or is it just that there is a de-centralized faction doing all of the killing? I just don\'t know... that is an honest question, not trying to be a smart a$$, that keeps me up nights...
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But if it works, if it works, it will be bringing a big change to the people in the middle east who are stuck in the dark ages.
Freedom catches on, people seeing what their neighbors have, start to want the same thing.
If this works this will be the biggest stabilizing force in an area that has been in turmoil for centuries. Benefiting everyone. [/quote]
We all hope for this,I would love to see it, it is an amazing culture with more history of progress and intellect than most people realize. I just wonder if you can pull people forward, kicking and screaming, or if it just causes a backlash as we become their common enemy. Again an honest question...
But if it works, if it works, it will be bringing a big change to the people in the middle east who are stuck in the dark ages.
Freedom catches on, people seeing what their neighbors have, start to want the same thing.
If this works this will be the biggest stabilizing force in an area that has been in turmoil for centuries. Benefiting everyone. [/quote]
We all hope for this,I would love to see it, it is an amazing culture with more history of progress and intellect than most people realize. I just wonder if you can pull people forward, kicking and screaming, or if it just causes a backlash as we become their common enemy. Again an honest question...
TAB Studio
New member
Trevor in your quest to see why this new project has not been started yet???
The last 2 projects for aid the first post was myself....it was thought by some others but not followed though. I gave credit to the thinkers and started the things rolling, and what a learning process that was ...
The hurricane may not be big to the world but if you look at my first post, ..it was big to my husband and family, because I live in the area easily threatened and often hit.
People living on fault lines or near volcano\'s know where they live, warning or not, many can not easily afford to move and lift away from the form of living they know.
These \'projects\' are massively time consuming and often personally hurtful. You leave your self as a target, there are hecklers sitting on the sidelines giving their two cents even though they are not to actively involved. Of course, it is their right ..of so you watch your back and hope others involved will also....
I try to take the high road in public but at home I am ranting as well my family and it can effect our life in a less then Zen like manner.
Flip side I have \'met\' selfless friends. I have been astonished, it renews my familys hope for humanity. Our kids witness the goodness of others and it is worth the struggle. There are kind people in the world and I find that comforting.
The last 2 projects for aid the first post was myself....it was thought by some others but not followed though. I gave credit to the thinkers and started the things rolling, and what a learning process that was ...
The hurricane may not be big to the world but if you look at my first post, ..it was big to my husband and family, because I live in the area easily threatened and often hit.
People living on fault lines or near volcano\'s know where they live, warning or not, many can not easily afford to move and lift away from the form of living they know.
These \'projects\' are massively time consuming and often personally hurtful. You leave your self as a target, there are hecklers sitting on the sidelines giving their two cents even though they are not to actively involved. Of course, it is their right ..of so you watch your back and hope others involved will also....
I try to take the high road in public but at home I am ranting as well my family and it can effect our life in a less then Zen like manner.
Flip side I have \'met\' selfless friends. I have been astonished, it renews my familys hope for humanity. Our kids witness the goodness of others and it is worth the struggle. There are kind people in the world and I find that comforting.
vincegamer
Active member
Hey! I didn\'t vote for him. Let me live!
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese! I don\'t wanna die!
Pleeeeeeeeeeease let me live.:~(
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese! I don\'t wanna die!
Pleeeeeeeeeeease let me live.:~
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