A bit of spleen venting....
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Vike lol i like bush (notice the small b) as well.
EvilDave it\'s fun debating with you. Your reasoning is well thought out and rational, Kudos. There are some things we will probably never agree on, but that\'s the beauty of it isn\'t it?
The election turn out was a good sign that the people want change, now if they would all turn in these rat bastard insurgents their lives might get a bit better. Like I said I hope the outcome is very positive. And yes the media spin is maddening, makes you wonder if we ever get the real story.
And as one of those republicans- I DIDN\'T VOTE FOR HIM EITHER!!!! A whole lot of moderate republicans in my immediate sphere of influence didn\'t either. I still wonder how he won that thing. Not that Kerry was a much better choice. Oh what this country could use now more than anything is a real leader. We always seem to be picking from the evil of 2 lessers....
EvilDave it\'s fun debating with you. Your reasoning is well thought out and rational, Kudos. There are some things we will probably never agree on, but that\'s the beauty of it isn\'t it?
The election turn out was a good sign that the people want change, now if they would all turn in these rat bastard insurgents their lives might get a bit better. Like I said I hope the outcome is very positive. And yes the media spin is maddening, makes you wonder if we ever get the real story.
And as one of those republicans- I DIDN\'T VOTE FOR HIM EITHER!!!! A whole lot of moderate republicans in my immediate sphere of influence didn\'t either. I still wonder how he won that thing. Not that Kerry was a much better choice. Oh what this country could use now more than anything is a real leader. We always seem to be picking from the evil of 2 lessers....
The People of the United States elected George Bush in the same way as they elected Bill Clinton, George Bush the elder, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter and s forth. I am an American, a citizen of the United States and this is my country and my country\'s administration, whether I agree with it or not. It is the governmet of all the people of the United States, not a portion or a fraction of it, all of the people, a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
As for Clinton, I never did like Sax in the white house.
But he was still my president, even though I didn\'t vote for him and didn\'t always agree with him, just as Bush is my president and even though I voted for him I don\'t always agree with him.Legacy Account
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That\'s bollocks!
And in the UK, it\'s possible to remain in power with a very decent majority and only achieve around 35% of the vote! Ridiculous!
I didn\'t vote for Blair, but even if I had done, I would reserve the right to call him and the government c***5 if they deserved it. We pay their wages and I\'m buggered if they should be supported if they\'re wrong!
They aren\'t MY government, or even OUR government. They are THE government and a good public mauling keeps them on their toes!
And in the UK, it\'s possible to remain in power with a very decent majority and only achieve around 35% of the vote! Ridiculous!
I didn\'t vote for Blair, but even if I had done, I would reserve the right to call him and the government c***5 if they deserved it. We pay their wages and I\'m buggered if they should be supported if they\'re wrong!
They aren\'t MY government, or even OUR government. They are THE government and a good public mauling keeps them on their toes!
Ok, guys we had a reason for no political discussions on the boards, we made this rule over a year ago, I was against it then, I\'m still against it, but it was a rule made. Now whether or not the Mods want to enforce this is up to them, but I\'m off the subject.
For you that like to debate, politics, religion, and whatever other hot topics there are, then you\'re more than welcome over in the Reaper forums, just PM Kit Pierce for access to the Beekeepers forum and let the debating begin.
By the way I\'m Cadaver over there.
For you that like to debate, politics, religion, and whatever other hot topics there are, then you\'re more than welcome over in the Reaper forums, just PM Kit Pierce for access to the Beekeepers forum and let the debating begin.
By the way I\'m Cadaver over there.
Right On spacemunkie!
To be a government by the people for the people... the people MUST discuss and attempt to correct problems as they arise. Too many people think that just showing up at the polls covers their responsibility but I think we have to be vigilent and provide input and at least question the decisions that on their face look a bit off.
To be a government by the people for the people... the people MUST discuss and attempt to correct problems as they arise. Too many people think that just showing up at the polls covers their responsibility but I think we have to be vigilent and provide input and at least question the decisions that on their face look a bit off.
Yes, but the point is if your government does something stuipd, do you just back away saying \"well I didn\'t vote for him ... so don\'t blame me.\"
Besides in the UK you don\'t vote for PM directly right? You vote for representatives in parliment and those repesentatives vote party line for the person to be PM.
In the United States we have a few admendments in the constitution that specifically say that the ability to call the government whatever name you like is a right! (Just don\'t threaten the president.) The people of the United States voted for the president. They voted for congress and the senate. They voted for their governors, state houses, mayors, and even a number of levels of the judiciary. While we don\'t have the plethora of parties common in European nations and in Great Britian, the government we get is the government we voted for and the government we deserve.
Besides in the UK you don\'t vote for PM directly right? You vote for representatives in parliment and those repesentatives vote party line for the person to be PM.
In the United States we have a few admendments in the constitution that specifically say that the ability to call the government whatever name you like is a right! (Just don\'t threaten the president.) The people of the United States voted for the president. They voted for congress and the senate. They voted for their governors, state houses, mayors, and even a number of levels of the judiciary. While we don\'t have the plethora of parties common in European nations and in Great Britian, the government we get is the government we voted for and the government we deserve.
Hmm...I don\'t remember such a rule, but then again, I haven\'t been invited to all the mod\'s meetings...
I see no reason to quell the debate. Everyone has kept civil and made good points. I may be trumped by a higher mod, but until that, I say let it stand.
I\'d prefer to discuss miniatures, but you can tell by the number of responses alone, this topic is one that the people want.
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tzor, I agree....Dave, I agree even more.....we all have our beliefs and threads like this take us away from one of the things that we all enjoy that has brought so many of us new friends.
I had a huge post ready with responses to multiple people and realized that there was no point in it. Arguing here will not help. Make your argument to whatever official it is you elected if you want to make a difference. That is why they are elected and why we have laws to allow us to remove them if they really screw it up.
I hereby remove myself from any further political discussions had here regardless of if I agree or not.
I\'m off to work on Works of Heart and will be ready to help with whatever project is planned to benefit those other groups in need.
-Terry
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I had a huge post ready with responses to multiple people and realized that there was no point in it. Arguing here will not help. Make your argument to whatever official it is you elected if you want to make a difference. That is why they are elected and why we have laws to allow us to remove them if they really screw it up.
I hereby remove myself from any further political discussions had here regardless of if I agree or not.
I\'m off to work on Works of Heart and will be ready to help with whatever project is planned to benefit those other groups in need.
-Terry
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In the United States WE do do not elect our \'rulers\' directly either; the electoral college does that. It is entirely possible for them to vote for someone we didn\'t, and twice in history electoral college members voted AGAINST the people in their district. No on knows who the electoral college members are, so basically our government is CHOSEN by a SECRET SOCIETY!
FACT, not FICTION...
Anyhow, I started this EXACT conversation at the end of the Tsunami Relief thread... and it was shut down soon after.
All I have to say is American People, for the most part, are generally good, caring people and very charitable. NEVER hate Americans for the mistakes our Government makes. That goes for everyone else\'s country as well.
I have had good Moslem friends, and know a few Russians since the cold war. Just because our countries might be at war or hate each other, PEOPLE, in general, try to get along. It\'s the people who WANT TO RULE, and that includes the rebels/terrorists, who get everyone pissed off at each other.
If the rulers didn\'t \'invent\' conflicts every so often, we wouldn\'t need them anymore, eh?
Don\'t think about which country all of these disasters are occurring in, just think about the PEOPLE... they are HUMAN BEINGS... with families, and children... does it really matter where they are from? Or what color their skin is? Or what God they worship?
Not when your underwater it doesn\'t...
FACT, not FICTION...
Anyhow, I started this EXACT conversation at the end of the Tsunami Relief thread... and it was shut down soon after.
All I have to say is American People, for the most part, are generally good, caring people and very charitable. NEVER hate Americans for the mistakes our Government makes. That goes for everyone else\'s country as well.
I have had good Moslem friends, and know a few Russians since the cold war. Just because our countries might be at war or hate each other, PEOPLE, in general, try to get along. It\'s the people who WANT TO RULE, and that includes the rebels/terrorists, who get everyone pissed off at each other.
If the rulers didn\'t \'invent\' conflicts every so often, we wouldn\'t need them anymore, eh?
Don\'t think about which country all of these disasters are occurring in, just think about the PEOPLE... they are HUMAN BEINGS... with families, and children... does it really matter where they are from? Or what color their skin is? Or what God they worship?
Not when your underwater it doesn\'t...
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Bollocks. Just because they have a different way of living to the West and a different set of beliefs, it doesn\'t mean that they are open for us to update them with our bloody ideals! How would you react to Easternisation?
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Not true.
Here is a list of all of the electors who voted in the 2004 presidential election:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/elctcoll/2000certa.html%23begin
you know...
what\'sfunny about desert storm. all that USA news media saying how attrocities were being done in kuwait. One of my closest friends lived in kuwait for most of her young life and only left kuwait when the americans came to the region during desert storm.
All that crap that was said...it never happened. She\'s not even muslim; the people lived their daily lives normally. The royal families, yes, they had issues, but general public wasn\'t actually bothered.
Sanjay
what\'sfunny about desert storm. all that USA news media saying how attrocities were being done in kuwait. One of my closest friends lived in kuwait for most of her young life and only left kuwait when the americans came to the region during desert storm.
All that crap that was said...it never happened. She\'s not even muslim; the people lived their daily lives normally. The royal families, yes, they had issues, but general public wasn\'t actually bothered.
Sanjay
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Apparently the infamous \"babies thrown from incubators\" story was spread by the media based on a SINGLE hearsay account from someone who didn\'t even work at a hospital.
Sorry, this was too good to pass up.
Just what ways of living and ideals are you referring to? Please elaborate.
I really think what you mean is a culture change, we\'re enacting a Government change. Vast difference.
While certain cultures, the minority Sunni\'s, benefitted under Saddam, the Sheites, and the Kurds definately did not.
The government change merely levels the playing field for all three cultures.
Me, personally, I wouldn\'t worry, it just doesn\'t take hold to well here.
As a Nation, we are the melting pot, all ideals and cultures are welcome. Well lif you enter the country legally that is.lol
However, I must insist that you look a little closer to home, France and Holland seem to be having a wee bit of a problem with this.
Just what ways of living and ideals are you referring to? Please elaborate.
I really think what you mean is a culture change, we\'re enacting a Government change. Vast difference.
While certain cultures, the minority Sunni\'s, benefitted under Saddam, the Sheites, and the Kurds definately did not.
The government change merely levels the playing field for all three cultures.
Me, personally, I wouldn\'t worry, it just doesn\'t take hold to well here.
As a Nation, we are the melting pot, all ideals and cultures are welcome. Well lif you enter the country legally that is.lol
However, I must insist that you look a little closer to home, France and Holland seem to be having a wee bit of a problem with this.
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The \'Highway of Death\' was a pretty horrible occurence too.....
Managed to get hold of a photographic book that recorded the lot in all its awful detail. Pretty shit not even being given a chance to surrender
Managed to get hold of a photographic book that recorded the lot in all its awful detail. Pretty shit not even being given a chance to surrender
What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
I hate arguiing with f#$%ing lawyers, they always find a problem in the wording. So, after all that I said about this thread/situation, the only thing you saw/understood was the error? That\'s just sad...
Now I know why I don\'t come to this site much anymore...
What I meant was \"Not commonly known\". These are not FAMOUS people, as are the politicians. I\'m sure 99.9999999% of all Americans DON\'T know who THEIR Electoral college representative is.
I hate arguiing with f#$%ing lawyers, they always find a problem in the wording. So, after all that I said about this thread/situation, the only thing you saw/understood was the error? That\'s just sad...
Now I know why I don\'t come to this site much anymore...
