A bit of spleen venting....
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Tracy, do not feel the need to apologize or take on this new responsibility, your hands are full.
Trevor if you\'re so dismayed by no one doing an earthquake relief, here you go buddy, the torch is yours. Run with it.
Honestly, lets see some Australian charity.
I\'m not attacking you, I\'m not insulting you.
I\'m merely asking you to put your money were your mouth is.
vincegamer
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The internet is a funny thing. It\'s not at all like having a face-to-face conversation.
I didn\'t read every post here. I read your statement that our government is elected by a secret society. That\'s quite different from saying hardly anyone actually knows the name of their electors. I wasn\' t going to let that just lie out there.
It\'s hardly worth wishing me dead just because of the profession I have chosen.
I have never ridiculed your profession.
Plus, being a lawyer has nothing to do with this argument. Before I was a lawyer I worked for the National Archives. Before that I worked in the government documents library at Stanford University. We have one of the most open governments in the world. The fact that 99.x% of Americans are too disinterested to bother looking up any information does not justify the insinuation that some sort of illuminati has us by the short and curlies.
Or as Muldur would say \"the truth is out there.\"
[edit] okay, I went back and checked and you didn\'t post anything else, so rereading your post it still comes off as: the American people are good, it\'s the evil secret society that runs the country that is to blame. I agree that people individually are rational and often kind. Mobs are made up of people, so there is a disjoin and it\'s wrong to blame the individuals but how do you avoid blaming the individual and still blame the mob? It\'s easy to say not everyone is in the mob, but studies have shown that in the right circumstances we all could be.
Plus, blaming a secret society is a form of abdication of responsibility.
I mean nothing personal Markus. We\'ve gotten along fine in other arena. I just have a different view of where blame lies in my country.
I didn\'t read every post here. I read your statement that our government is elected by a secret society. That\'s quite different from saying hardly anyone actually knows the name of their electors. I wasn\' t going to let that just lie out there.
It\'s hardly worth wishing me dead just because of the profession I have chosen.
I have never ridiculed your profession.
Plus, being a lawyer has nothing to do with this argument. Before I was a lawyer I worked for the National Archives. Before that I worked in the government documents library at Stanford University. We have one of the most open governments in the world. The fact that 99.x% of Americans are too disinterested to bother looking up any information does not justify the insinuation that some sort of illuminati has us by the short and curlies.
Or as Muldur would say \"the truth is out there.\"
[edit] okay, I went back and checked and you didn\'t post anything else, so rereading your post it still comes off as: the American people are good, it\'s the evil secret society that runs the country that is to blame. I agree that people individually are rational and often kind. Mobs are made up of people, so there is a disjoin and it\'s wrong to blame the individuals but how do you avoid blaming the individual and still blame the mob? It\'s easy to say not everyone is in the mob, but studies have shown that in the right circumstances we all could be.
Plus, blaming a secret society is a form of abdication of responsibility.
I mean nothing personal Markus. We\'ve gotten along fine in other arena. I just have a different view of where blame lies in my country.
Its got to be true, it was in the newspaper
The truth is certainly out there but often hard to find. As soon as two factions of opinion go to find the truth - quite honestly and in best intentions, both of them - they are likely to find two different kinds of truths. Who can say which is the real truth and which is an error?
@Trevor \"What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?\"
so ....what do You call them? Don\'t know because I\'m german, would someone please enlighten me, would love to learn a new phrase...
The truth is certainly out there but often hard to find. As soon as two factions of opinion go to find the truth - quite honestly and in best intentions, both of them - they are likely to find two different kinds of truths. Who can say which is the real truth and which is an error?
@Trevor \"What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?\"
so ....what do You call them? Don\'t know because I\'m german, would someone please enlighten me, would love to learn a new phrase...
Whoa, Dauber, point out the person on this thread who said that all Americans deserve to die! I\'m serious, I\'m ready to throw hands with him.
I doubt that anybody on these forums thinks that \"all Americans deserve to die,\" or that the people who were affected by Katrina \"deserved\" to die.
I think Trevor was simply saying that relative to the quake, Katrina wasn\'t nearly as serious. Which it isn\'t. That\'s not to say that the American lives lost were worthless, or that their deaths and misery don\'t matter, but only that there is even more death and misery in a less affluent nation that isn\'t as well equipped to help its citizens (of course, the U.S. disaster relief was pretty miserable, but the ability and potential to do better was there)
America is a Superpower, an economic and military superpower, and with that privilege comes the human, decent, responsibility to help poorer countries out, while being to deal with your problems on your own (and that\'s not to say other countries didn\'t help out with Katrina...what\'s that about? I know our school had a fundraiser for victims, and we were certainly inundated with news coverage of it)
America is certainly acting like a parent to a world of unruly children these days, what with its disciplining of Iraq and such. It\'s in a position of power. All (good) parents help out their children in times of need, and don\'t expect the same in return. Instead, they look to their contemporaries for help and support. Start treating the rest of the world like adults and equals, and perhaps people would be more willing to help.
Sorry Vince...
I shouldn\'t have attacked your profession... I\'m currently working on some difficult debt consolidation and have been battling a dozen different lawyers daily for about three weeks. My first thought after reading your post was \"God-Damn f-ing lawyers always gotta argue about f-ing everything!\". I let my personnal problems taint my post and I\'m sorry for any name calling.
I do, however, stand by my statemant that it\'s sad that the only thing you found worth commenting on about my original post was the error in politics. These things aren\'t about Governments, they are about PEOPLE helping PEOPLE.
Whether they diserve it, even whether they want it... that doesn\'t matter. What matters in the end is that WE tried...
I might have been a little over the top with my \"secret society\" comment, but I was just offering rebuttal to some earlier comments about Americans choosing their leader by direct vote, as opposed to the UK not. Our systems are much more alike then they are different.
At least you don\'t have to wear a powdered wig, Vince...
I shouldn\'t have attacked your profession... I\'m currently working on some difficult debt consolidation and have been battling a dozen different lawyers daily for about three weeks. My first thought after reading your post was \"God-Damn f-ing lawyers always gotta argue about f-ing everything!\". I let my personnal problems taint my post and I\'m sorry for any name calling.
I do, however, stand by my statemant that it\'s sad that the only thing you found worth commenting on about my original post was the error in politics. These things aren\'t about Governments, they are about PEOPLE helping PEOPLE.
Whether they diserve it, even whether they want it... that doesn\'t matter. What matters in the end is that WE tried...
I might have been a little over the top with my \"secret society\" comment, but I was just offering rebuttal to some earlier comments about Americans choosing their leader by direct vote, as opposed to the UK not. Our systems are much more alike then they are different.
At least you don\'t have to wear a powdered wig, Vince...
No Such Agency
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Here, perhaps. In some other places *cough cough Fark.com cough* the facelessness leads to some of the most outrageous ad hominem attacks and personal name-calling imaginable. Thank god we have the Forum Rules here
Originally posted by MarkusTay
What I meant was \"Not commonly known\". These are not FAMOUS people, as are the politicians. I\'m sure 99.9999999% of all Americans DON\'T know who THEIR Electoral college representative is.
I hate arguiing with f#$%ing lawyers, they always find a problem in the wording. So, after all that I said about this thread/situation, the only thing you saw/understood was the error? That\'s just sad...
Now I know why I don\'t come to this site much anymore...
Markus, relax, it wasn\'t a personal attack, or even an argument. He simply correcting a mistake he thought you made. No big deal. What you might have meant to say wasn\'t what you wrote down, and while that\'s completely understandable, it\'s just as understandable for a person to take you literally. Just a little mistake, that\'s all.....Perhaps he didn\'t find any fault with the rest of your post. I thought your post was nice and refreshingly happy, personally, after the rest of the thread.
If you\'re that easily offended by \"f#$%ing lawyers,\" well, then, try to avoid Vince, I guess.
CMON is a big place. You should visit more often.EDIT: Oops, didn\'t see your last post, Markus.
vincegamer
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No, I don\'t, except when the wife, er, um, anyway....
Things get out of hand pretty easily. I\'m sorry if I said anything offensive.
Anyway, I agree with you on the rest so didn\'t feel the need to comment. People, have suffered, and no matter where they happen to be, it was not their fault. Those who have suffered loss deserve aid from those of us still on two feet.
p.s. good luck with the consolidations. I hope you don\'t have to go bankrupt because unless you do it tomorrow, you\'re too late.
Things get out of hand pretty easily. I\'m sorry if I said anything offensive.
Anyway, I agree with you on the rest so didn\'t feel the need to comment. People, have suffered, and no matter where they happen to be, it was not their fault. Those who have suffered loss deserve aid from those of us still on two feet.
p.s. good luck with the consolidations. I hope you don\'t have to go bankrupt because unless you do it tomorrow, you\'re too late.
A good start
...hehehee...Thanks Evil Dave.....oh, ahem, sorry Vincegamer, You must have heard this a thousand times and be quite fed up. Of course are not all lawyers bad. They just look bad because they seem to support evil when in truth they are just performing the good law of \"assumed innocence\". And this is not just pc drivel .... whow, yeah back to the \"what is truth\" topic
...hehehee...Thanks Evil Dave.....oh, ahem, sorry Vincegamer, You must have heard this a thousand times and be quite fed up. Of course are not all lawyers bad. They just look bad because they seem to support evil when in truth they are just performing the good law of \"assumed innocence\". And this is not just pc drivel .... whow, yeah back to the \"what is truth\" topic
vincegamer
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I have heard all the lawyer jokes. I have a thick skin. I knew going in that I was joining the only profession I am aware of where people feel obliged to insult you to your face as soon as they learn what you do for a living.
I am also in the profession shared by the man George Takei said was the most influential person in his life - if not for the dedicated actions of a particular lawyer, Sulu would have been deported to Japan after WWII.
(trekker at heart)
I am also in the profession shared by the man George Takei said was the most influential person in his life - if not for the dedicated actions of a particular lawyer, Sulu would have been deported to Japan after WWII.
(trekker at heart)
ipaintminis
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after thinking it over
and weighing the pros and cons of jumping into the middle of this.
I\'ve decided to lol
granted, I\'m 19 (and 3/4ths), only voted in one major election (not counting school) and wont fully state what I do and don\'t believe. I do know one thing.
I love people.
i don\'t care if they are American, English, dutch, Spanish, Pakistani, Iraqi, or South African, involved in govt or living in a third world countries . Death is death, and disasters are terrible.
my heart goes out to each and every person involved in such disasters.
it may not be me sending thousands of dollars, but it is me sending thousands of prayers.
i honestly could give a rats ass about this govt turning on that govt or this people giving more money than that people. I do know what I believe, and what I feel strongly in... humanity.
and weighing the pros and cons of jumping into the middle of this.
I\'ve decided to lol
granted, I\'m 19 (and 3/4ths
), only voted in one major election (not counting school) and wont fully state what I do and don\'t believe. I do know one thing. I love people.
i don\'t care if they are American, English, dutch, Spanish, Pakistani, Iraqi, or South African, involved in govt or living in a third world countries . Death is death, and disasters are terrible.
my heart goes out to each and every person involved in such disasters.
it may not be me sending thousands of dollars, but it is me sending thousands of prayers.
i honestly could give a rats ass about this govt turning on that govt or this people giving more money than that people. I do know what I believe, and what I feel strongly in... humanity.
Naw...
Nothing that bad.
I always have a shitload of debt floating around. It\'s just three different people came at me at once. Anyone of them I would have been able to handle, even two maybe, but all three at once gave me four weeks to come up with $17,000 or I was facing foreclosure. I handled it, and it looks like I\'ll come out on top again, but last month and this month I\'m one edgey bastard.
Sorry again, and thanks for the concern.
Edit: Wow! three posts before I could respond!
Nothing that bad.
I always have a shitload of debt floating around. It\'s just three different people came at me at once. Anyone of them I would have been able to handle, even two maybe, but all three at once gave me four weeks to come up with $17,000 or I was facing foreclosure. I handled it, and it looks like I\'ll come out on top again, but last month and this month I\'m one edgey bastard.
Sorry again, and thanks for the concern.
Edit: Wow! three posts before I could respond!
vincegamer
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Like the new pic, Becca. Very Scully.
Sean, while Mr. Micheal Arrogant Prick Crichton might be right about the fact that we aren\'t affecting climate change, even if this is just a normal fluctuation, it\'s still gonna wreak havoc with human lives, and we should still be thinking of strategies to prevent and/or cope with global warming.
That\'s not saying I agree with him, either. He\'s a freaking M.D. for gods sake, not a climatologist. If he goes back to school and loses the attitude, I\'d be more willing to put stock in what he says.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/climatechange/
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/books/2002170342_warming04.html
I know, I know, \"post hoc ergo propter hoc,\" or whatever, but it\'s certainly worth thinking about.
Orginal gepostet von Evil Dave
It\'s the Pirates I tell you.
You forgot to state the source
\"copyright EvilDave: made it up all by myself\"
Sorry EvilD, it\'s really funny. Being a follower of the \"human CO2-emission will destroy the world\" theory myself I have a hard time to laugh, though.
Oh well there\'s a saying in german \"believe no statistics you haven\'t faked yourself\"
No Such Agency
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OMG, I was thinking the exact same thing! I just didn\'t want to say it for fear of looking like some kind of nerd weirdo. Thankfully, you have taken on that role instead.
