A letter to my British friends

[slah]

Originally posted by generulpoleaxe

Originally posted by Avelorn
@gpa: He is not Marxist by a mile (or his hiding it well) and haven\'t been for very long. What is this Marxist organisation you speak of? Government interventionism is not reserved for marxists or even leftists. I read an article on Gordon Brown some time ago, while not entirely accurate it still has a point:

http://www.theliberal.co.uk/issue_9/columns/kaletsky_9.html

This socialisation of dept and privatisation of profit is not Marxism. If he was - why does Marxists in Britain loath Gordon Brown then? He\'s \"New Labour\" and \"the third way\" to the fingertips.

Originally posted by reverend
What is this America of which you speak, and what is an Obama?

WOW WTF?! Read some books, mate! America is a county in Great Britain and Barrack Obama is AWESOME! Jeez...

he is a fabian mate , they believe in creeping communism.
bringing it in slowly, one step at a time instead of suddenly, pop, it\'s their and you didn\'t see it.
well the UK is seeing it all right.
the police force is now in the hands of a private company (acpo) that is anwerable to the home office, not to the queen or the people.
pcso\'s (police officers without any real powers) are being used instead of real police officers in greater numbers, they can not arrest people, they give out on the spot fines.
more and more council workers are being given powers for handing out on the spot fines (including being able to go through peoples rubbish to see if they are recycling properly, and if not, then a fine is issued)

councils workers abusing their powers, which breach UK laws yet the goverment backs them by holding select commitees instead of the courts handling the cases.

members of the goverments cabinet refusing to go before select commitees (by parlimentary rule they have to!)
parlimentary acts and bills not being put before the house of commons, instead being put into the footnotes of other acts and bills and then the the debating time being drasticly reduced, so that people can not raise complaint about the contents (which are worded so vague that they can mean literaly anything!)

all the while eroding peoples rights and UK justice system.
and a constant increase in the public sector (they are still creating non jobs and increasing council pensions and salaries)

civil servant commitees created that somehow have more power than parliment! (that\'s unelected officials)
lobby groups growing in number to back up goverment projects with statistics that are constantly proved to be so false it\'s ridiculous, charities started up by ex civil servants that act as lobby groups, christ one of them does leadership courses but only for selected people, wholey funded by goverment money[that\'s tax payers money] and these people get boosted through the public system at a rather fast rate)

and don\'t ask about the education, when global warming replaces parts of science (and it has) then you know even the academic future of the UK is screwed.
they complain about a skills defisit, well it was labour who closed down the polytechnics and reclassified them as universities, which got rid of the skills training!

and all of this crap is just part of how messed up this country is.

This sounds like fascism and not communism.

 

[Legacy Account]

Originally posted by generulpoleaxe

...and all of this crap is just part of how messed up this country is.

If you tell yourself (or are told) something enough times you start to believe it....

Like I said, Britain\'s main problem is the bullshit that people are constantly fed about how rubbish everything is.

At least you\'ve got a roof over your head and food in yer belly!!

 

[sanctuary13]

England is an amazing nation. America is also an amazing nation. Both are filled with some of the greatest minds, thinkers, revolutionaries, and promoters of great virtues. However, as a proud American (and now a veteran), I despise, loathe, hate and am disgusted with my government and the media/corporations which control it. I am also certain that patriotic Limeys (ten years as a sailor, I get to use the word Limey all I want) also view their own country in a similar light, and they would be just as correct as Americans, perhaps more so.

Love your country, hate your government. It is the only way to stay sane. If you love your government, you are ignorant of it\'s real machinations. If you hate your nation, you have it in your head that there is someplace better. Good luck finding it.

Barack Obama looks different than any other president, but he is NOT different. He is a charismatic fool, who has lied his way into office, but that has been every American president thus far (with the exception of our first, and in my opinion ONLY great president, George Washington)

History has a strange way of distorting our leaders. Carter was one of the most beloved nominees, and his platform of change was highly expected and needed, and he changed nothing, his big talk all went by the wayside, much like our friend Barack.

JFK is deified as the greatest force in politics of the 20th century by some people, yet his term was ineffective and ultimately destructive. He led us into Vietnam, wasted billions on a space race, and upheld the McCarthy ideal. Yet Nixon, who got us OUT of Vietnam, is vilified worse than any Shakespearean foil (not that he is innocent by any stretch of the imagination).

Lincoln is worshiped by many for \"Freeing the Slaves\" yet most of the proposals for emancipation were already in place before he took office. He also was the first American president to send troops against his own people, and his wife was a Slave owner, and her family remained so for some time.

If you believed that Obama was the change America needed, then you probably think Braveheart was 100% true as well.

Apologizing on behalf of a nation is not necessary, mainly because every nation has so much to apologize for, it is not in any of our places to take the burden upon ourselves to set things right: that job is applied to our leaders, and first they must apologize to us, which will simply never happen. So in the meantime, let\'s just have a pint (although as we all know, American beer is like making love in a canoe) and accept that, yes, our governments are out to get us.

 

[Dragonsreach]

One of the problems as a people we have is that we expect or Heroes and our Leaders to be pristine.
And boy are we dissapointed to find that they have feet of clay.

I suspect that Obama will have as many faults as any other leader, because as far as I can see NONE of them have been perfect. (FDR kept a mistress {or two}, Churchill got \"tanked\" on a bottle of Brandy every night. )

Let me quote Firefly Episode: Jayne\'s Town (badly)
\"You know I suspect everybody who got a statue made of him, was a Son of a Bitch sometime!\".

Now ain\'t that the truth!

 

[paintingploddy]

Obama\'s problem is that he has a weight of expectation upon him to accomplish so much. The disappointment will be even greater than normal if he can\'t deliver and the agenda is so broad and the current constraints so tight that he won\'t be able to deliver. The next Jimmy Carter perhaps?

 

[Avelorn]

Originally posted by paintingploddy
Obama\'s problem is that he has a weight of expectation upon him to accomplish so much. The disappointment will be even greater than normal if he can\'t deliver and the agenda is so broad and the current constraints so tight that he won\'t be able to deliver. The next Jimmy Carter perhaps?

My brain says you are correct, my heart hopes that you aren\'t.