A Rant of Academic Proportions

matty1001

New member
Just need to rant about this, as to be honest, it has pissed me off royally.

As many of you know, I havn\'t exactly had the smoothest ride through life for the past few years but I have managed to pull through the worst and things are going better than they were.

One of the main reasons I was able to do this, was through college councilor support. I had been appointed to see somebody on a regular basis last year, and she really helped me. Even just as somebody to talk to, who wasn\'t connected by family.
I was able to see her whenever I wanted and recieved loads of advice and support (she got me out of most of my financial troubles, and helped ease alot of the family stuff, meaning I could get back on track with education and that was really suffering a blow due to it all.

Well, things have heated up again (I don\'t want to go over it, as thats not the issue here) and I really wanted to sit with the woman and just have a chat. Even a half hour would have been fantastic.
So I asked my tutor today about it, and it turns out the college have withdrawn funding for Higher Education student support from the mentoring/councilor team.

I sat and talked to my tutor about everything and he was able to listen, but even said that what he could do was in no means possible to what the woman I was seeing could do.

Now if a HE student needs support they have to see their tutor, who then refers you to student services, which then pass me to a GP (external) who then pass me onto an external support \'group\'.

Now is it just me or does this seem more bother than it is actually worth for the college?
So now it is going to take weeks to set up (after the new year according to student services) what I could easily access in ten minutes with the old system.

Also apparently tens of students have been asking for the support, but it\'s just not there anymore.

Sorry if this seems a bit of a selfish rant, it\'s not meant to be. But if even one student can be helped through really shitty circumstances and get back on track with the education as quickly as possible, then the funding is worth it?

And the biggest blow is, the mentoring team is still on site, but can only help FE students!

Ggrrrr.
(Good thing is though, if enough students want/need the help, the tutors will be running petitions to get the funding back.)
 

Legacy Account

Active member
It\'s all money. When things get tight, the non-essential gets the chop.

Your GP should be able to sort you out though.


Edit: Cheers fella!
 

Trevor

Brushlicker and Freak!
This is the sort of thing you get in a world where money is perceived as the most important thing and decisions are made by \'suits\' who have no idea about the reality of the situation they are responsible for.
There have been a number of cost cutting measures here at work, that on closer analysis prove to be more costly for us end users, but because it reduces central costs the accountants are happy.

I\'ll join you in a :cussing:
 

fieldarchy

New member
:beer: *hug*

Well if you were one of my students I\'d be willing to listen and help (academic counselor here). Sorry things are getting crappy again. I can relate.
 

freakinacage

Well-known member
thats shit dude. as scott said, it may be bother but it won\'t cost them anything to refer you elsewhere. anyhoo, you got my number mate..
 

hubbabubba

New member
Bummer Matty, educational institutions should not be run like businesses.

No chance of you getting in touch with the councellor through anther means and sorting it out?
 

Torn blue sky

New member
Man that\'s just plain f**ked up! I hear exactly what you\'re saying dude, you have EVERY right to be pissed about it!

I\'m personaly sick of all the cuts in the MoD, lost me my job (had to apply for more internal transfers), and even lost a bunch of people their lives! ( I was nearly one of \'em!). But like it\'s been pointed out that\'s business...pffft.
Does the government REALLY care about students? Do they hell! They grew up going to toff schools and slept in plush dorms, never having to worry about money cuz \'daddy\' paid for it!
BESIDES the fact providing services for ONE group and not the other is plain un-PC to me! WTF happened to equality there? Throw in a petition for equal rights when you\'re at it! Shower of bastards they are :cussing:
 

matty1001

New member
Originally posted by hubbabubba
Bummer Matty, educational institutions should not be run like businesses.

No chance of you getting in touch with the councellor through anther means and sorting it out?

I caught her with her today and told her that I had requested to speak to her, and that I had just spoke to the tutor and was told what now had to happen.
She (and the others on her team) are apparently really pissed off with it and most of them have had cuts etc to thier working times.
Apparently if I do still want to speak to her, I can drop a note in and she can put forward an appeal to the management and see what she can do.
But, most likely, I will just be told that that is unavailable and must go the external route.

I can\'t even just sit with her for half an hour and discuss things on a \'non-professional\' level so to speak. As the consequences for her could be huge.

Spacemunkie
Your GP should be able to sort you out though.

Yep they probably can, and I am going to chase it up and see what happens. But I\'d much rather sit and chat with somebody who I have already sat with for 10+ hours and already has knowledge of the background situation.
The first meeting with her I was tense and not really sure about it, but nearer the end the atmosphere was more relaxed and talking to her was very easy and approachable.

I don\'t really want to spend ages re-explaining everything and more than likely being told the same stuff I was from her, by another person.

Plus due to having to make appointments and being scheduled in with the external one, means I can be waiting days to talk to them. Which can be a problem when it\'s an issue that needs sorting quickly. As was the case yesterday, things had just really gotten on top of me, and I honestly just needed to talk to her.

Plus surely a councilor based on site would have alot more connection to the college and things can be sorted quicker and more efficiently.

spacemunkieEdit: Cheers fella!
No worries! Didn\'t notice that before, I was knackered last night!


It really is just a huge pain in the arse. But such is life. Meh!
 

Modderrhu

New member
matty, not to lessen your situation or to disregard the benefit that you receive from the counselling, indeed I can see how much you appreciate it, but; I do hope that you realise what a perk it is. Few enough people have access to free counselling.

However, I also know what it\'s like to need to talk to someone now, before you lose your mind. Been there before.

Hope all works out for you, man.
 

matty1001

New member
Originally posted by Modderrhu
matty, not to lessen your situation or to disregard the benefit that you receive from the counselling, indeed I can see how much you appreciate it, but; I do hope that you realise what a perk it is. Few enough people have access to free counselling.

Yep, which is why i want to use the facilty when I can/need to. And it has helped, so why not get the most out of it as possible. After all it can only benefit my education.
 

mud duck

New member
Question (s)...
HE= High Education, college level and what out right?

FE= Huh?

GP= thats the guidances consoler right?

So if she really doesn\'t have anything to do with you \"professionally\", couldn\'t you invite her down to the pub, or whatever and have your discussion without breaking any rules? I mean shes off the clock, it\'s not about school and there no hanky-panky going on, so would it wouldn\'t be improper, right?
 

Torn blue sky

New member
GP= General Practitioner (IE; Doctor)
FE= ???

Guidance after hours = Profit?

She couldn\'t talk after hours because it\'s unprofessional Duck, generally frowned upon as giving preferential treatment and possible implication of relations with a student. There be a cooooode GAR!
 

Torn blue sky

New member
I thought Further Education WAS college? Something changed since I got my degree ???
Maybe I wasn\'t paying attention in class lol Most likely answer, or I was just to drunk to remember. That part of my brain will be sadly missed...and strangly forgotten
 

matty1001

New member
Yea FE is Further Education, A levels, National Diplomas, Modern Apprenticeships that sort of thing. Normally for 16-18yr olds.

Higher Education is mostly 18+, Degrees etc... But Newcastle College host Leeds Uni courses, which is why I\'m doing it at college and not a Uni.
I can use Leeds Uni library though. Surprisingly that has never come in handy yet.

And Mud Duck, TBS pretty much outlined why I couldn\'t do that. Her job would be pretty much on the line.
 

Torn blue sky

New member
Ok FE is the lower stuff...

So remind me why they cut counciling to a more stressfull line of study???
I think I speak for us all when I say quite stoutly and unashamedly, \'Gordon Brown is a complete prick\'. He\'s off to sign away our rights to Brussels tomorrow btw, how nice of him! It\'s SO good to know as our national spokesman he takes all our interests to heart....bastard :cussing:
 

mud duck

New member
I guess that I read it as she was no longer connected to you on a professional level, so a half hour conversation about items other than school wouldn\'t be a problem. My bad.
 

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
This sucks. :( It\'s always good to have someone to talk to that aren\'t too involved. Just someone that listened helped me much more than I ever thought it would.

I wish I could give you any good advice, but everything I know is focused around the Swedish system that is a bit different.

One way.. but this could be entirely from a swedish perspective. But in Sweden you can talk to priests or church councelling and they have a pretty much secular approach to the problems (the Swedish main churc anyway). And you of course don\'t have to be a \"believer\". My mother does this type of councelling. I\'m not sure how it is in UK, but I think I ought to say it anyway.
 
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