Am i a proper painter?

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hestan101

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hi all
ive spent my entire memberish to this site reading articles, starting topics, and PMing people over\" whats is this, howdid you do that\" and so on. What i want to know is: if im just copying other peoples techniques, am i real painter, or just a twisted form of photocopier? id like to hear evryones thoughts on this, and please just tell me the truth (by that i mean honeyed, soothing lies to reassure me) :cry:
 
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generulpoleaxe

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it\'s our nature to copy whilst learning.
it\'s how you use all of those skills learn\'t with your interpretation and style that eventualy leads to your own style.

just keep up the hard work and practice and forget about wether your just copying what others do whilst you learn new skills and push already learnt methods.
 
Dragonsreach

Dragonsreach

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Staff member
Originally posted by hestan101
hi all
What i want to know is: if im just copying other peoples techniques, am i real painter, or just a twisted form of photocopier?
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Easy answer...Yes.

Complex answer...You are learning by emulating those people you admire and in that way are taking the \"Baby steps\" towards developing your own style. Much in the same way that Apprentices learned their trade as painter in the studios of their masters.

That help. :D
 
Aliengod3

Aliengod3

Active member
Everyone has their own style. Techniques are what we use in order to help our style develop. By asking us about the various techniques we use you are learning how to properly paint. By asking these questions you are learning what works for you and how to use what you learned. By asking questions you are not learning to photocopy, you are learning how to paint. Most people use the same techniques but generate various results because of their perceptions of light, color and the mini they are painting.

The only real way I would think you could actually copy someones style is to have them take you as an apprentice. Kind of how people who join the Eavy Metal team for GW all have a similar style because they are tought the same methods and steps to develop a mini.
 
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Zora

New member
Did you apply the paint yourself? Then yes.

It doesn\'t matter how much you \"mimic\" other people\'s styles, you cannot do a \"perfect\" imitation. Therefore it is an orginal work by you, and only you.

Influenced? Yes.

Originally yours? Still yes.
 
waghorn41

waghorn41

Member
Of course you\'re a painter. You\'re just learning different techniques which, applied in your own style, will result in an original piece.
 
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ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
The best chefs in the world don\'t usually grow their ingredients, and they sure don\'t sire the meat themselves.....

They just take a little bit of this and that and put it together in a way they\'ve picked up from here and there and they use that to create something unique.

Same thing you and everyone else here is doing. Asking advice and getting hint\'s and tips from other experienced painters doesn\'t make your end result any less of a personal creation, it just makes you smarter for trying to learn from the experiences of others rather than spend 50+ years of trial and error to develop tips and techniques yourself from scratch.

I think anyways....
 
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Ritual

New member
When I got back into painting some five years ago, I discovered the Rackham minis and their studio paintjobs and I wanted to learn to paint like that. So, I started trying to copy their versions, but I was never really happy with how the results came out. I didn\'t think they were bad really, but it didn\'t have the exact style that I was aiming for. Then, after a while I started getting comments on my minis saying that people recognised my style and saw that it was one of mine before seeing who had posted them and so on.

So, in the attempt to copy something I ended up finding my own style. Once I recognised the fact myself, I just kept going, developing what was now essentialy my own style.

Don\'t feel bad about trying to copy what others do. It\'s part of learning.
 
Joek

Joek

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Nothing wrong with a bit of copying at all - especially if you\'re learning on the job!

Currently, I\'m going back and doing an awful lot of copying stuff in an effort to improve little bits and pieces, and it\'s actually great fun to do. I always have some bigger (and far more personal) ideas brewing, but it\'s sometimes nice to be led a little bit before branching out again.

Since I started painting again I honestly don\'t think there\'s been a figure (or figures) that I\'ve not learnt something from - the end results might not be all I hope for sometimes, but there\'s always the odd aspect where I can see improvement.

Which is good, I reckon!
 
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Sauce Devil

New member
You copy other people\'s ideas?!
Hang your head in shame! :cussing:

You\'re supposed to paint a miniature the wrong way ten times over instead of skipping the screw-up stage by finding out how to get it right first time!

Honestly, next you\'ll be reading recipe books to learn how to cook. :eek:
 
freakinacage

freakinacage

Well-known member
Originally posted by wiccanpony
Originally posted by freakinacage
NO! you are all terrible painters unless you come up with completely new ideas every time!!
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:rolleyes: pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot....;)lol:p
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on the contrary, i never finish anything, therefore i don\'t copy other peoples stuff, therefore i am a true artiste! bwahahahahah!!
 
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rocketandroll

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It\'s been said many ways... but essentially, yes, you\'re pretty much the same as everyone!

You would be very hard pushed to find any mini on this site that is 100% original.

All the techniques and all the styles and all the colour combinations have been done somewhere by someone.

I know that without CMON I\'d never have improved my painting skills at all... everyone improves by seeing stuff they like and trying to emulate it.

You copy something until you get it right, learn what it is about that technique that you like, and apply it in different ways to your own work.


You\'re fine, stop being paranoid, and just enjoy the learning process.


Ben
 
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Cleezy

New member
As pretty much everybody else has said, you are a true painter as you paint everything yourself.

Everything pretty much has been copied and then adapted somewhere along the line. At one point nobody ever would have thought nmm could transfer onto mini\'s as it was a graphic novel technique.

We all read articles and practice the techniques then mix it into our own style and develop it
 
BarstoolProphet

BarstoolProphet

New member
We\'ll need video to be sure, I think.

1: Are you actually using paint, or condiments, like ketchup, mustard, and the like?
2: Are you using an actual paint brush, and what size?
3: Are you getting the paint on what you aim at, or is it going willy-nilly all over the room (like freakinacage\'s...).
4: When you finish a piece (unlike freakinacage), do you have a feeling of accomplishment that is marred by a feeling of disappointment and an intent to get better?

Videos will let us decide much more fully.
 
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Starks333

New member
what others didnt cover is the most crucial point

copying without understanding what you are copying will not lead to any real benefit or \"learning\"

this is why in general gamers who visit websites and ask for \"help\" never learn or really improve much, all they do is copy exactly whats told, without any thinking/extrapolating

anyone can pick up a brush, but its not until you start creating/doing your own thing do you really evolve as a painter/person/artist and so on

learning the rules will allow you to begin to understand why certain things work better or worse than others, why certain things look better and so forth

learning involves comparison, without comparison there is no factual information, and no way to really learn


so in short, if all you do is copy, you arent doing anything but copying...if you are improving while copying, and developing your own habits, then you are not just copying like a photo copier :p

Alex
 
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