Annoying Stereotypes

[Flashman14]

THE FOLLOWING CONTAINS SATIRE!!

Find the fallacy:

Painting and sculpting are the fundamental skills in our modeling hobby.

If I sculpt a cat and try to sell it as a Chaos Lord there\'s going to be some incredulous responses out there. It is the same type of argument Zaphod made but the difference is one only of degree.

So, liberties can be taken in the painting then why not in the sculpting? - is it not an equal failure of the imagination? Can we not all imagine that cat to be a Chaos Lord? Should we not all be indignant at those who do not recognize that it is a Chaos Lord and not a cute little pussy cat?

Of course this is absurd. My friends, I put it to you that it is logic that raises the kind of comments Babyunicorn left not blind fidelity to a corporate vision.

Heh - but in all seriousness. Typically I try to match with my painting the intent of the figure that went with the intent of the sculptor. The sculptor had a vision of what this thing was to be and I feel obliged to carry out his/her work and make it as he/she would have intended (to a point).
Now, in the example in question (to Baby Unicorn\'s point) I dont have any problems with a High Elf wearing those colors - I don\'t believe there is a stated and definitive color scheme for them. But as a personal preference I tend to favor solids, neutral with blues, blacks, browns, gray - I avoid the coat of many colors look -mostly because it\'s difficult to harmonize everything.
But to be back on track, if there is no sculpt for the character you\'re trying to model then do what you gotta do: paint, convert, resculpt - whatever - and your example Zaphod is a fine one.

 

[ZaPhOd]

Originally posted by Sturmhalo
It seems an off hand remark has been blown out of all proportion here doesn\'t it?!

Zaphod. I think I gave your mini a 6 didn\'t I?

Yes, unfortunately! Also, you gave me a 7 which is fine! I was referring to the other comment

Folks leave Sturm alone! Ha, I was just starting a debate, and unfortunately, a name got placed front and center!!!! I think Sturm was just making sure i knew Hawkmoon was NOT an Elf and of course, that was my entire point to begin with! Yeah, I am more mad at the other comment and person for personal reasons.... Sturm and I are on the same end of the boat here I figure

 

[ZaPhOd]

Holding hands

Originally posted by reverend
My point would be that a bit of extra conversion work to PERSONALISE the piece would have made other people (like me) think differently about this High Elf mini. I wouldn\'t have had a clue about the name until you said so.

I read the Corum books by the way and they were v. good.

No prob Rev. Back then, he was a breakthrough paintjob for me, and I wouldn\'t dare convert anything. Now however
Yeah, Corum was my 2nd fav, right behind Elric. Hawkmoon was lower on the peg, but then he had that damn Jewel in his skull....
As my last post says, Sturm and I are already on the same track so fear not

 

[Sturmhalo]

Originally posted by Maori
As for the original topic, Dorian Hawkmoon, that is, a very tenuous argument could be made that he IS indeed an Elf, being essentially just another incarnation of Elric among others, as The Eternal Champion.......

WHAT THE HELL...

Now, Elric was a Melnibonean and not an elf. Granted, Melniboneans are kind of elfish in appearance but they\'re not elves. You\'re certainly thinking out of the box with that tenuous link though. At the end of the day Hawkmoon was human. The world he inhabited was even based on our own!

Someone should make a new set of Eternal Champion figures and perhaps produce whole ranges for the most interesting game worlds! Melniboneans and Pan Tangians again. Or the insane masked armies that marched against Hawkmoon\'s lot (bit rusty on the specifics).

Hey Zaphod, did your Hawkmoon figure\'s ankles snap? They were very brittle and my Hawkmoon\'s feet parted company with his body long ago (a bit of drilling and pinning and gluingsorted that out though). I saw someone on Ebay selling a set of Eternal Champion figures a while back, and their Hawkmoon had suffered the same injury!

 

[No Such Agency]

Can we not all imagine that cat to be a Chaos Lord?

Flashman14: It\'s been done

 

[ZaPhOd]

Eternal Champ Figs

Well Sturm, I have only Moonglum, Elric, Theleb Kaarna and a Melnibonean. I have tried several other minis to represent the figures... I do have Lord Stronghaart painted as Elric, and i also have a Forgeworld Malus Darkblade that is a DIRECT RIP-OFF of Elric... and he will therefore look like him when I am done!!!!

 

[finn17]

Hi there!

I am very much a newbie around here so be gentle with me.
It does strike me however that a lot of these \'difficulties\' occur because there are two distinct possible entries into our hobby.
Either you start off as a player and painting takes over, or like me, you have never played, have no desire to play but simply want to bring some of these miniatures to life. It can come as a shock therefore when someone tells you you have done it \'wrong\'. I suspect that those who start off as players come pre-loaded with rule-based notions, which are at the heart of wargames after all, whereas painters have not had the quite so much indoctrination into what ammounts to the GW world. I am quite sure the hobby has room for both and it can only be a good thing when someone opens up new boundaries.
Take comfort in the fact however, that we don\'t have the same problems as painters of military miniatures. I once had a tank turned over and it\'s undersidde inspected before being told that the \'mud\' was the wrong colour for the particular campaign involved. I\'ve never painted another military model since.

 

[Sturmhalo]

Oh yes, the world of historics can be a harsh, bloody business! Total accuracy is required by many, and to be honest, in that arena I agree! Uniforms, insignia, equipment, context etc should all fit perfectly. But in the world of fantasy, why not as you say, break the \'rules\' laid down by the rule book?

 

[sildrotha]

Avoid it all by....

...sticking fifteen other donor parts onto and picking the name from a bowl of alphabet soup

At least that\'s what I try.

Consider this Glyn- I overheard two kids in Border\'s Books & Music say this:

\"The lord of the rings totally ripped off warhammer, dude.\"

And that should be the final word

 

[ZaPhOd]

No *4%t



That is really funny! I suppose Gary Gygax ripped em off too. Oh wait a minute, Gary who? *snicker*

 

[Sturmhalo]

Ain\'t kids great? lol

 

[kannan_fodder]

Ok, here\'s another one for ya....

I found Reaper\'s Callus Darklore in my local gaming store when my DM and I were out miniature shopping. I grabbed it and showed it off with the quote, \"Alas poor Yorick! I knew him well.\" My friend, the store manager, and a couple of other regulars snickered. One of the two 14 year olds who had just walked in muttered under his breath, \"These people are weird.\"

 

[Errex]

That\'s schooling these days, I tell y\'all..

Well, I happen to know people who swears that WH40K is a ripoff from Stracraft. Go figure...

 

[Maori]

Sturmhalo - Maybe I jumped a few too many circuits calling Elric an Elf outright, but he\'s pretty damn close, especially since GW not only lifted almost the entire 40K universe straight out of Moorcock\'s books, but also their fantasy High and Dark Elves - thems would be the Melnibonéans.
My cat could eat your Chaos Lord for lunch (and probably would, too...).
I thought Warhammer was a Mage Knight ripoff....?