ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
http://coolminiornot.com/245337
Painted for the WAMP Little Angels charity auction. Fire you crits at me!
Painted for the WAMP Little Angels charity auction. Fire you crits at me!
AoW Orc Shaman
- Thread starter ScottRadom
- Start date
generulpoleaxe
New member
okay, the finger nails, mate how long would it take to do them!
the nit picky bit now, as the cloak looks old and ragged it would probably be a good idea to have the edges and a few well worn areas lighter in tone (bit of ivory skimmed over would sort it no probs)
A quick way to bring character and add extra contrast to the skin is to add some red in their Scott (green and red) bit more around knuckles etc so that the red shows through.
It looks as though the two main focal points on this model have been rushed (cloak and face/skin) these are the things that should have more contrast and character (the things like pants and shirt don't draw the eye to them so you can use short cuts on these and people won't notice)
hope it helps Scott (sorry to be picky mate)
the nit picky bit now, as the cloak looks old and ragged it would probably be a good idea to have the edges and a few well worn areas lighter in tone (bit of ivory skimmed over would sort it no probs)
A quick way to bring character and add extra contrast to the skin is to add some red in their Scott (green and red) bit more around knuckles etc so that the red shows through.
It looks as though the two main focal points on this model have been rushed (cloak and face/skin) these are the things that should have more contrast and character (the things like pants and shirt don't draw the eye to them so you can use short cuts on these and people won't notice)
hope it helps Scott (sorry to be picky mate)
ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
HA! I've shown this mini here and at WAMP at MAN, those finger nails drew me some instant flak!
Here's the justification....
I painted this mini before and I didn't like the nails. I thought I overdid them and they looked poor. So I opted to shade them and leave them. Guess I was wrong! I was gonna leave them but now I gotta change them!
It's good points about the cloak and face. I wish I could tell you I DID rush them, but I didn't. Doesn't mean the tips don't hold true! I will for SURE make sure I get that pop outta the next one. The red is a good point. I added some in the face but it's not visible. More next time for sure! And the cloak... dissappinted it looks rushed but that just means more time and effort needed obviously!
And you KNOW I appreciate the feedback. It's a great thing to get tips to get better from all you fine ePeople! I mean... seriosuly consider where I was before I got your guys tips....
That was my "A" game from about a week before signing up here. I'm pretty pleased with the progress and looking forward to more. And it's the crit's that get's a guy there amigo.
'Course... Cassar's comment was nice too!
Thanks GP!
Here's the justification....
I painted this mini before and I didn't like the nails. I thought I overdid them and they looked poor. So I opted to shade them and leave them. Guess I was wrong! I was gonna leave them but now I gotta change them!
It's good points about the cloak and face. I wish I could tell you I DID rush them, but I didn't. Doesn't mean the tips don't hold true! I will for SURE make sure I get that pop outta the next one. The red is a good point. I added some in the face but it's not visible. More next time for sure! And the cloak... dissappinted it looks rushed but that just means more time and effort needed obviously!
And you KNOW I appreciate the feedback. It's a great thing to get tips to get better from all you fine ePeople! I mean... seriosuly consider where I was before I got your guys tips....
That was my "A" game from about a week before signing up here. I'm pretty pleased with the progress and looking forward to more. And it's the crit's that get's a guy there amigo.
'Course... Cassar's comment was nice too!
Thanks GP!
freakinacage
Well-known member
shit scott, you have some so far!
generulpoleaxe
New member
Scott, to make it easier for extra pop on flesh etc start with a lighter colour as your mid tone, it doesn't take much highlighting then as that is more of a tweek.
Shading is quicker so try to do most of the work through shading.
Give me a shout in just over a weeks time, i'll wip up a quicky but leave the last skim over with white to tweek the highlights, you can do that yourself and you will see the difference it makes.
Shading is quicker so try to do most of the work through shading.
Give me a shout in just over a weeks time, i'll wip up a quicky but leave the last skim over with white to tweek the highlights, you can do that yourself and you will see the difference it makes.
ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
You make a good point GP/Chris. I'm still a layerer at heart and I think in terms of dark to light. Starting lighter is something I should try out for sure!
Don't worry about sending me a fig! You've done more than enough already! I still owe you one, which I forgot about 'till just now. I'll have to think of something!
Don't worry about sending me a fig! You've done more than enough already! I still owe you one, which I forgot about 'till just now. I'll have to think of something!
ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
Okay, I found a bunch of 40K gretchin, I kinda like them! I'll try following the wisdom of start lighter/shade darker on them tomorrow and post up the results. Time permitting. Ty gang!
cassar
BALLSCRATCHER
ask the wife! lol
i know that extreme contrasts are required for definition with mini painting but in defence of scotts mini if you look at your own nails they are transparent and usually show the same colour as the skin underneath also the same applies in nature to claws, bear claws for instance are all black no highlights, no bleached bone tips there, not that i would want to be that close to find out.
maybe a nice shade of red to match his eyes oh and lipstick too who says you cant be a shaman and look fabulous.
The claws of my cat definitly dont have the same colour, like her fur/skin/paws.... BTW: I think polar bears claws are not black... the only point of polar bears, that is black is the nose. And that there are hiding it, when they go hunting. *smile* no joke: a zoologist told me so. So seals dont see them in the ice...
So scott, you may choose whatever you want: Perhaps your ork is a descendant of human, cat, normal or polar bears... your choice! I like hte mini anyway... :dance:
SkelettetS
New member
look pretty dark/black to me :wink:
i'd to know, im from sweden right?
dont think the nails are too much important to this mini, but it do look a bit unfinished as they are now. i would painted them brown->bone->white i think, possible with some yellow in it. they should be dirty!
anyway cool ork
i'll 8't it.look pretty dark/black to me :wink:
i'd to know, im from sweden right?
dont think the nails are too much important to this mini, but it do look a bit unfinished as they are now. i would painted them brown->bone->white i think, possible with some yellow in it. they should be dirty!
anyway cool ork
GREAT! That happens, when I dont check information told by an expert... *deeply ashamed* Thanks... now I have to talk with somebody a stern word... :devil: educated zoologist... yeah....
Sorry for shouting out wrong information so loudly...
And yes, the nail do not matter. Gave a '9'
Greetings, Taggi
SkelettetS
New member
okay this is somewhat beyond my league of knowledge. but isnt all colours just reflecting light in different ways?
...hmm whats the orks 'real' colour then?
BPI
New member
Hi Scott, it looks as though the 7 I gave this is a little below the average, sorry Lots of nice elements but I didn't 8 it for a handful of reasons, I suspect some are to do with photography though Nails need doing, if only a Badab Black wash. Not enough depth to the flesh, especially on the leading hand & arm. Skulls & hands on back are too close in colour (I'd suggest yellowing the bones slightly, quick Gryphonne Sepia?). The blue flask, is it a piece of blue pottery or is it a glass vial with a blue liquid, what were you aiming for? Wrist rags could be highlighted to the same point as his leading knee. Niggly bits of crap I suppose, maybe I've been a little harsh, when I'm hovering between scores I often let the fact that the painter is a forum poster sway me to vote on the high side but I gave your Kingdom Death bloke an 8 & I don't think you've met that standard on this mini.
I really like his vest (buttons could differ in colour), left leg & the back of the right hand skull on the staff in the bottom picture (the one to the left could do with a minor highlight on the upfacing jaw I think). Oh, and the base is fantastic
It's great to see how far your painting has come in a relatively short period, congrats :good: Another hours work on this guy would really polish it up.
I'm a little wary of posting this as I'm a thin-skinned bugger who doesn't take crits too well but you seem to be big enough to handle it And do let me know if you disagree at all!
Good luck with the auction/comp, cheers, B.
Lots of nice elements but I didn't 8 it for a handful of reasons, I suspect some are to do with photography though Nails need doing, if only a Badab Black wash. Not enough depth to the flesh, especially on the leading hand & arm. Skulls & hands on back are too close in colour (I'd suggest yellowing the bones slightly, quick Gryphonne Sepia?). The blue flask, is it a piece of blue pottery or is it a glass vial with a blue liquid, what were you aiming for? Wrist rags could be highlighted to the same point as his leading knee. Niggly bits of crap I suppose, maybe I've been a little harsh, when I'm hovering between scores I often let the fact that the painter is a forum poster sway me to vote on the high side but I gave your Kingdom Death bloke an 8 & I don't think you've met that standard on this mini.I really like his vest (buttons could differ in colour), left leg & the back of the right hand skull on the staff in the bottom picture (the one to the left could do with a minor highlight on the upfacing jaw I think). Oh, and the base is fantastic
It's great to see how far your painting has come in a relatively short period, congrats :good: Another hours work on this guy would really polish it up.
I'm a little wary of posting this as I'm a thin-skinned bugger who doesn't take crits too well but you seem to be big enough to handle it
And do let me know if you disagree at all!Good luck with the auction/comp, cheers, B.
SkelettetS
New member
wooops my bad
ScottRadom
Shogun of Saskatchewan
Interesting conversation about polar bears. But in the end reality will always have to play second fiddle especially if I paint something that looks unfinished. Can't just say "that's the way it looks in real life", esepcially about an Orc. He he. Nah, I better do them up some. I like what SkelletettS suggested.
BPI-Never feel like you can't share your opinion! Not for a second do I disagree with anything you've said, and by no means should you vote a mini higher than you feel. It's your vote! ESPECIALLY if you've got some crit's for the mini. I like what you've said, and I will take it on board. I learned something yesterday that I am going to start doing all the time.
Usually I just paint under a pretty decent and well lit area. So a mini usually looks pretty good from that angle with lots fo light. The cloak looked REALLY high in contrast. So after the initital comments fo needs more contrast I wanted to check it out. Looking under normal light in the house it does look pretty flat. I still like the way it looks under the light I paint in though. So.... as I paint, I simply need to stretch my arm out and look at the mini from 3 feet away under less than ideal light. When I do that, it's really apparent the mini could use more. So that's gonna be an easy test for me to do while I paint. And something I never would have thought of if it weren't for the crit's from aroud here. It's something simple, but I think it's going to make a world of difference. It's also way easier at that distance under lesser light to catch things like focal points and stuff. I think it's a great tip!
Anyway, thanks very much all! I am not going back to this mini (except the nails) simply because this was a sort of break for me between other time restricted projects and it's getting auctioned before I will finish those up. But I like the tips very much, and my next mini will be better! Awesome!
BPI-Never feel like you can't share your opinion! Not for a second do I disagree with anything you've said, and by no means should you vote a mini higher than you feel. It's your vote! ESPECIALLY if you've got some crit's for the mini. I like what you've said, and I will take it on board. I learned something yesterday that I am going to start doing all the time.
Usually I just paint under a pretty decent and well lit area. So a mini usually looks pretty good from that angle with lots fo light. The cloak looked REALLY high in contrast. So after the initital comments fo needs more contrast I wanted to check it out. Looking under normal light in the house it does look pretty flat. I still like the way it looks under the light I paint in though. So.... as I paint, I simply need to stretch my arm out and look at the mini from 3 feet away under less than ideal light. When I do that, it's really apparent the mini could use more. So that's gonna be an easy test for me to do while I paint. And something I never would have thought of if it weren't for the crit's from aroud here. It's something simple, but I think it's going to make a world of difference. It's also way easier at that distance under lesser light to catch things like focal points and stuff. I think it's a great tip!
Anyway, thanks very much all! I am not going back to this mini (except the nails) simply because this was a sort of break for me between other time restricted projects and it's getting auctioned before I will finish those up. But I like the tips very much, and my next mini will be better! Awesome!
