Are Space Marines eunuchs?
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vincegamer
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descendant? I thought he was immortal. He could BE Bill Gates.
and Dedwrekka, I\'m not sure they \"volunteer\". Or if they do, I doubt they know the whole story until after they are on the ship.
and Dedwrekka, I\'m not sure they \"volunteer\". Or if they do, I doubt they know the whole story until after they are on the ship.
freakinacage
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no the emperor was the good guy...
Tony Manero
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no i think emperor is Linus Torvalds however the index astartes would be filled of bugs then imperium should release patches 
lol
ps: if sm were products of Microsoft the driver of their suits would crash down every battle leaving them with a broken half-ton suit on the shoulders lol
lolps: if sm were products of Microsoft the driver of their suits would crash down every battle leaving them with a broken half-ton suit on the shoulders lol
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fire-dragon-studios
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I hate to come up with the geek answer, but if the amygdala is removed from the marine then his sex drive should in theory cease?
The amygdala is also responsible for reactions to fear, so seeing as space marines \"shall know no fear\" it seems to fit ???
The amygdala is also responsible for reactions to fear, so seeing as space marines \"shall know no fear\" it seems to fit ???
freakinacage
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well you\'re no fun!
Flightless
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Before anything else:
In my version of 40k: Yes.
Firstly, Their organs are altered throughout their initiation for optimum efficiency, so to be honest there are a few things that need to go. They don\'t need to reproduce, so strike 1. There are probably more efficient ways to produce testosterone, rather than that being a single function of several for testicles, so strike 2. And lastly (since for some reason i\'m using faint baseball terminology, you knew how many reasons i was going to give), power armour or no, it seems a little pointless to me to make a superhuman warrior that has a spot so likely to cause a lot of pain (Another reason that proves the female body is better designed). Need i say strike 3?
On the last, yeah, you could argue that they could change it, but if you\'re changing them that much, see the previous points.
As to actual castration, i wouldn\'t expect it. I guess there are loads of rituals observed during initiation of varying pain and effort depending on the chapter, but with all these changes going on, chemical castration would be easier.
Besides, let\'s be honest, if we\'re going for purely functional, a penis isn\'t actually required either (oo, did i make some of you wince?). But it\'s considered \'rather important\'. Besides, look at Astartes armour - that\'s not too small a codpiece for an otherwise featureless part of the body...
Behaviour isn\'t an issue either.
Even assuming that you haven\'t got other organs producing testosterone (or an equivalent/improvement), castration later in life has little effect on aggression, sex drive etc.
And what effects may or may not remain can be reintroduced/eliminated using that extensive hypnotherapy all marines undergo.
Besides, they\'re meant to have quite astounding devotion, right? And let\'s not forget that, despite numerous worrying stories on teh intertron involving examples of our two favourite loyalist power-armoured fighting forces having an intimate moment or three together, space marines are kind of billed as warrior-monks. With my emphasis on the monk part. Devotion might just be put above biologics, and i would say that a couple of minutes with Mrs Palm and her five daughters would go against at least the spirit of celibacy if not the letter. (Also the above with certain parts changed, respectively Sisters of Battle, nuns, and your euphemism of choice)
Perhaps the Emperor\'s Children had the right idea after all...
Of course, if you wanted to argue with me (*smiles sweetly*), i guess, since they are rather cooped up like Waffles says, they could get a little Classical. Warrior bonding and all...
Pff. What i say is what i\'ve ruminated upon. It is, as i said, what goes in my version of the 40k universe. Of course, it does take all the fun out of everything, doesn\'t it? Humour is sadly lacking. I guess it wouldn\'t be the same if in the grim darkness of the far future, there was not only war but also steamy Astartes-on-Astartes action...
In my version of 40k: Yes.
Firstly, Their organs are altered throughout their initiation for optimum efficiency, so to be honest there are a few things that need to go. They don\'t need to reproduce, so strike 1. There are probably more efficient ways to produce testosterone, rather than that being a single function of several for testicles, so strike 2. And lastly (since for some reason i\'m using faint baseball terminology, you knew how many reasons i was going to give), power armour or no, it seems a little pointless to me to make a superhuman warrior that has a spot so likely to cause a lot of pain (Another reason that proves the female body is better designed
). Need i say strike 3?On the last, yeah, you could argue that they could change it, but if you\'re changing them that much, see the previous points.
As to actual castration, i wouldn\'t expect it. I guess there are loads of rituals observed during initiation of varying pain and effort depending on the chapter, but with all these changes going on, chemical castration would be easier.
Besides, let\'s be honest, if we\'re going for purely functional, a penis isn\'t actually required either (oo, did i make some of you wince?). But it\'s considered \'rather important\'. Besides, look at Astartes armour - that\'s not too small a codpiece for an otherwise featureless part of the body...
Behaviour isn\'t an issue either.
Even assuming that you haven\'t got other organs producing testosterone (or an equivalent/improvement), castration later in life has little effect on aggression, sex drive etc.
And what effects may or may not remain can be reintroduced/eliminated using that extensive hypnotherapy all marines undergo.
Besides, they\'re meant to have quite astounding devotion, right? And let\'s not forget that, despite numerous worrying stories on teh intertron involving examples of our two favourite loyalist power-armoured fighting forces having an intimate moment or three together, space marines are kind of billed as warrior-monks. With my emphasis on the monk part. Devotion might just be put above biologics, and i would say that a couple of minutes with Mrs Palm and her five daughters would go against at least the spirit of celibacy if not the letter. (Also the above with certain parts changed, respectively Sisters of Battle, nuns, and your euphemism of choice)
Perhaps the Emperor\'s Children had the right idea after all...
Of course, if you wanted to argue with me (*smiles sweetly*), i guess, since they are rather cooped up like Waffles says, they could get a little Classical. Warrior bonding and all...
Pff. What i say is what i\'ve ruminated upon. It is, as i said, what goes in my version of the 40k universe. Of course, it does take all the fun out of everything, doesn\'t it? Humour is sadly lacking. I guess it wouldn\'t be the same if in the grim darkness of the far future, there was not only war but also steamy Astartes-on-Astartes action...
Tony Manero
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so they are meant to be...
TOTALLY FLAT ???
Flightless
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That guy certainly looks rather disturbing.
I rather meant that the armour has quite a bulge, so i presume they come out of the procedure with something (and not in a gift bag).
I rather meant that the armour has quite a bulge, so i presume they come out of the procedure with something (and not in a gift bag).
Well all the fluff and books I had read pretty much ignored the fact. However, I\'ve just been reading the Spacewolf books, and there is a slight intimation that Ragnar is slightly \'attracted\' by a female navigator, but he is totally uninterested in a pleasure servant.
My take is as follows:
1) Sex would be entirely inappropriate for a marine.
2) However, masculinity is tied both physically and mentally with that part of the body, so chopping it off could undermine that (although an alternative POV would be that if you wanted to make a group of pissed off guys, chop it off...)
3) Steroids etc are supposed to reduce sexual activity.
Thus I would say that they are physically \'men\', but the process that makes them marines and their implants and indoctrination mean they don\'t have a sex drive.
My take is as follows:
1) Sex would be entirely inappropriate for a marine.
2) However, masculinity is tied both physically and mentally with that part of the body, so chopping it off could undermine that (although an alternative POV would be that if you wanted to make a group of pissed off guys, chop it off...)
3) Steroids etc are supposed to reduce sexual activity.
Thus I would say that they are physically \'men\', but the process that makes them marines and their implants and indoctrination mean they don\'t have a sex drive.
green stuff
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I think Trevor nailed it (no pun intended).
vincegamer
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from what I understand it\'s not so much sexual activity as reproductive capacity.
Jose Conseco apparently had so many steroids his testicles withdrew back into his body cavity, but he was still banging multiple women every night.
vincegamer
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Either way I still don\'t think I want to be him.
Sithtainius
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since when does the good guy eat a thousand souls a day?
No Such Agency
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I think in the WH40K universe, \"good\" is usually defined as \"marginally less evil\". The Emperor\'s snacking habits help keep the billions of citizens of the Imperium safe from their enemies, so the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, I guess.
Flightless
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Or just because, well, he\'s human. It\'s hard not to sympathis with humanity.
I do rather like the almost complete abscence of \'good\' from the universe. A nice touch. I\'m hoping they show the Tau in a bit of a nastier light in this next codex. They are the only ones currently who are a bit too nice.
(In my own mind, i see them as an effective but rather uncompromising totalitarian regime)
Flightless
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Yeah! And the Emperor isn\'t exactly nice either...
green stuff
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But that\'s exactly what they are. Look at how Commander Farsight is treated after expanding their empire and proposing new military tactics. Plus their cast system supposes euginism and genetic selection.
