Are you hot or not?

diggie

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Just a brainfart I wanted to share. I noticed a lot of people paint flames \"upsidedown\", meaning that the darkest (usually red) color is at the bottom, and the lighter yellows are the highlights on top of the fire.

So what people actually do is to paint fire in the \'traditional\' shading and highlighting methods, which for me, do not work.
The trick to painting fire is to make it look as if it\'s emanating light instead of receiving it, so (assuming you want to paint a realistic looking flame) just painting it red and highlighting it with yellow on the top doesn\'t cut it.

Think about fire. It\'s hottest where it burns the most fuel, at the base of the flame. This is where fire is the brightest. As energy is expelled from the flame, the particles cool down as they rise up, thus losing their fiery light.

One technique you could use is to paint the whole flame yellow, wash it with a red/orange ink once, and blend upwards into a dark red (almost black) color. Touch up the base of the flame with some yellow mixed with a little white in case some intensity is lost there.

Now I\'m not the final authority on how to paint things, and it\'s of course entirely up to you how you want to rock your stuff, but I just feel that only some painters really know how to make flames look like they\'re hot, and most do not.

Try doing an image search on Google for flames or fire and see for yourself.
 

nvstudios

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That\'s actually a very good point. I had an idea to make a group of GW Chaos Warriors that looked like they\'d been made in a forge rather than them being guys that were wearing armor. The idea itself, pretty simple. Execution, not as simple. I wanted the weapons to still be red hot and I ended up doing them red with orange -> yellow highlights. Needless to say, it didn\'t work like I\'d hoped. But then again, that\'s why most of the work we post is actually Kali\'s, not my own.
 

Errex

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I agree...

... mostly, anyway. The point about the base of the flame being brighter is very sound, but IMHO, blending it to almost black at the top is not a very good idea, unlesss you are painting burning tires or petroleum blazes. I prefer to work from almost white to a bright, clean, middle tone of orange.
 

diggie

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Errex: If it spanks your monkey, who\'s to stop you?

nvstudios: Have you read the White Dwarf where the LOTR Balrog is released? There\'s a pretty good article showing you how he\'s painted. I\'m making assumptions, but this could be the look you want.

Also, http://home.pacbell.net/lnlcoolj/Hot_Lead/index.htm has some really well done fiery models.
 

nvstudios

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Sure did. Kali (whose pictures we post under this account) painted up a really nice Balrog that we sold over Ebay for just shy of $200. She knows what she\'s doing on the heat look, though she did it \"backwards\":

http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=6332

There was a really nice Chaos Warrior I saw up a while back ... oh yeah, here it is:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=6332

That sword is basically the exact effect I was trying to get with them but if just didn\'t turn out. Hot or Not people - is this the way it SHOULD look?
 

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diggie

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Yes, nice job. Choice of color and refined technique make all the difference of course.

Oh, and you pasted up the wrong url. I\'d love to see the Chaos Warrior.
 

Bent Brush

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\"Think about fire. It\'s hottest where it burns the most fuel, at the base of the flame. \"

This is an incorrect statement. The brighter a flame is, the hotter it is. Red/ Dark Orage is generaly much cooler than is white / yellow or blue. This has to due the radiation of heat. Flame is radiation and the particals in question are photons of light. The base of the Flame is noteably cooler than the tips of the flame.

For a really wonderful image of heat transision chek out this image from HOT METAL\'s site.

http://home.pacbell.net/lnlcoolj/Hot_Lead/gallery/dragon/lava%20dragon.htm

Now you present a good point, perhaps doing Flame in a diffrent manner going from HOT to COOL rather than from COOL to HOT, as most flame is currently painted. This, I shall have to try.
 

diggie

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So the tip is hotter because the fire consumes more oxygen as it rises? Yes?
Sound logical enough, so I\'ll yield.

Oh but please do show us the result of trying my suggestion!

Yeah I know the Lava Dragon. It illustrates my point exactly.
 
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