Article: Golden Demon US changes 2006
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green stuff
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Just in case : the french GD is on the 9th of April this yearMessage original : EricJBottom line, US painters who really want top competition should get their butts to Europe
.No cutting LA, I have a feeling that this year there may be a step up in the competition level. I know there are quiet a few painters from the SF Bay Area that should be heading down there and could end up being strong (at least I hope so).
I am hoping to enter as many catagories as I can
I am hoping to enter as many catagories as I can
Originally posted by green stuff
Just in case : the french GD is on the 9th of April this yearMessage original : EricJBottom line, US painters who really want top competition should get their butts to Europe
haha, I think my plan is to test the GD waters first in LA (which is also april I believe). Then head to UK in Sept.
Perhaps next year I\'ll have gained the confidence/skill to try my hand in France, especially if I have a translator to help me around
green stuff
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No problemMessage original : EricJ especially if I have a translator to help me around
.Originally posted by EricJ
I think my plan is to test the GD waters first in LA (which is also april I believe). Then head to UK in Sept.
Perhaps next year I\'ll have gained the confidence/skill to try my hand in France, especially if I have a translator to help me around
Eric,
You might be better bringing that translator with you to England lol
philologus
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Cutting back on the number of GD\'s events in the US would piss me off. We just got Atlanta 2 years ago; and that\'s the only reason I get to go. If I had to go to another location; I wouldn\'t be able to attend; due to time and money.
green stuff
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If you consider that the US and Europe are roughly the same size and have a comparable population, it would seem strange that the US GDs would get cut back. With France, Germany, Italy, Russia, Spain, and the UK, the continent seems pretty well covered and I don\'t see things getting down sized. GW built a factory in the US, they clearly want to play their role in the US market. Anybody see why things don\'t seem to work out like that although the US is economically stronger and GW\'s games use a lot of themes that appeal to the american society (sorry for generalizing like that, but they do use a lot of references that can be found in Hollywood movies
).philologus
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GS: What you say is true. I just won\'t attend if I have to spend a wad on travel. I would much rather use that same sum of money to take my wife and kids on vacation.
green stuff
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Of course
. I was rather wondering why GW had let out rumors a while back on such and such US GD being cancelled while they\'re trying to position themselves on the US continent.ok, one more thought about the LA GD...I think it would be better attended if it was ACTUALLY IN LA. They have it an hour+ inland in one of the ugliest places in the area. It\'s no where I would ever go otherwise...
Also, I think the 4 competitions in the US is more like a groundwork, and hopefully US painters will grow into it so to speak, at least that\'s my hope
Also, I think the 4 competitions in the US is more like a groundwork, and hopefully US painters will grow into it so to speak, at least that\'s my hope
Albert Moreto Font
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anyway my question is wargaming (GW, Rackham or minis in general) is popular at all in the US? In europe every teenager has heard at least about what warhammer is, and when i have done student exchanges in the US (florida and cleveland) anybody had EVER heard about what minis were... how can games days get full in there if its not popular at all? ??? just asking, really, no way to offend anybody.
PS: are there official GW stores in the US?
PSS** hehe is there a games day in russia?? or a similar \"event\" but not Games Day exactly?
PS: are there official GW stores in the US?
PSS** hehe is there a games day in russia?? or a similar \"event\" but not Games Day exactly?
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Molebrain
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Wargaming is not as popular or well known here as it is in Europe. Taking my cue from other posts in similar topics, it doesn\'t seem to be as marginalized on that side of the pond as it does here in the US. Even though population may be closer, percentage of participation is much lower.
GW does have it\'s stores here, but there aren\'t a whole lot, and they tend to be very small.
I think reducing the number of shows in the US is the way to go. When Baltimore was the only show it was THE show. The painting talent was astounding and people went to great lengths to produce work that would win one of only a few available demons.
Having said that- if, for marketing reasons, they don\'t want to cut down to 2 shows, then reducing the number of categories is the best way to go.
Zach
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GW does have it\'s stores here, but there aren\'t a whole lot, and they tend to be very small.
I think reducing the number of shows in the US is the way to go. When Baltimore was the only show it was THE show. The painting talent was astounding and people went to great lengths to produce work that would win one of only a few available demons.
Having said that- if, for marketing reasons, they don\'t want to cut down to 2 shows, then reducing the number of categories is the best way to go.
Zach
www.crookedeye.net
Albert Moreto Font
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i must agree with you molebrain, i sometimes see winning entries in the US that wouldnt even make first cut over here in europe... again, i know there are some few amazing american painters, but im talking about a general fact that i see when GW post the minis on the site... i think a couple of shows would be the best...however im not american hehe so id better keep shut
Please rember all that the US doesn\'t have a very used rail system as does Europe (distances and all) everyone flies which is quick but expencive. GW has 4 GD in the U.S. right? Baltimore east coast, Alanta south east coast, Chicago midwest, and LA west coast. this covers most of the US (although one in Texas I think would be a good idea). And as was stated in earlier post we\'re talken 500 or so bucks for one day of geeky goodnes Now if GW or someone would do something like they have done up here in Minneapolis and run a bus from some of the larger cities around the GD (say 750 miles or so) and charge a small amount (here it has been something like $30 for the bus and $40 for the ticket in) It would draw more people. Remeber Games Day is NOT based around the idea of the Golden Deamons, it\'s to draw new people in the hobby, and to get GW\'s cold money grumbing fingers in to wallets of poor unspecting parents Now don\'t get me wrong the GD is part of that draw and is a major part of whole thing, but GW is just trying to sell its shineys, nothing more nothing less. Not sure if any of this makes sence ??? lets see, more GD in the right cities, good. GD not about super well painted minis (big part) but selling stuff.
Not that I wish that the painting/painters go bye bye, for someday, someday I will get me one of those things, and have to figger how to get the sword on the flight home. That should be fun...
Now if GW or someone would do something like they have done up here in Minneapolis and run a bus from some of the larger cities around the GD (say 750 miles or so) and charge a small amount (here it has been something like $30 for the bus and $40 for the ticket in) It would draw more people. Remeber Games Day is NOT based around the idea of the Golden Deamons, it\'s to draw new people in the hobby, and to get GW\'s cold money grumbing fingers in to wallets of poor unspecting parents Now don\'t get me wrong the GD is part of that draw and is a major part of whole thing, but GW is just trying to sell its shineys, nothing more nothing less. Not sure if any of this makes sence ??? lets see, more GD in the right cities, good. GD not about super well painted minis (big part) but selling stuff. Not that I wish that the painting/painters go bye bye, for someday, someday I will get me one of those things, and have to figger how to get the sword on the flight home. That should be fun...
green stuff
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I\'m not sure if you meant that against me or the americains, but no offence was taken by me
.From what I remember, it depends of which state you\'re talking about. Wargames and RPGs are popular in some states.
There is a Russian event. Got quite contraversial last year
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green stuff
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GW can mail it to you.
Another problem I see, is that there isn\'t the same painting communities in the US which sort of everyone feeds off one another which then culminates in a GD. To show each other what they can do and picked up over the last year, to go one up on each other.
In fact MANY of the top US painters do not go to GD much anymore. What is their reason to? The events aren\'t presigious around the world, so when you\'re a world reknown name like Wong or Haley, you only make news if you go and DON\'T win. The US games days don\'t offer any advantage.
So basically a difficult cycle to break, the events aren\'t top level because top level people don\'t go, but top level people don\'t go because they\'re not top level events...
Oh well! Makes it easier for the rest of us I suppose
In fact MANY of the top US painters do not go to GD much anymore. What is their reason to? The events aren\'t presigious around the world, so when you\'re a world reknown name like Wong or Haley, you only make news if you go and DON\'T win. The US games days don\'t offer any advantage.
So basically a difficult cycle to break, the events aren\'t top level because top level people don\'t go, but top level people don\'t go because they\'re not top level events...
Oh well! Makes it easier for the rest of us I suppose
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Malfoy
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\"i sometimes see winning entries in the US that wouldnt even make first cut over here in europe\"
I\'m pretty sure I\'ve seen pictures of stuff from Europe that wouldn\'t have made first cut in Chicago. In fact, I\'m almost positive.
I\'m glad the categories have been consolidated and I think we will see a more competitive series of Games Days here in the U.S., but I don\'t think removing venues is a good or even appropriate idea. I mean there\'s a UK, French, Italian, Spanish, German, etc.
Dave
I\'m pretty sure I\'ve seen pictures of stuff from Europe that wouldn\'t have made first cut in Chicago. In fact, I\'m almost positive.
I\'m glad the categories have been consolidated and I think we will see a more competitive series of Games Days here in the U.S., but I don\'t think removing venues is a good or even appropriate idea. I mean there\'s a UK, French, Italian, Spanish, German, etc.
Dave
Dragon Forge Design
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The whole point of this thread was not to discuss whos work might be better.. thats been drug out one to many times..ths discussion is trying to figure out why GW made the decision to cut and consolidate categories and what needs to be done to make sure the attendance at shows warrants having the show. Its easy for someone who lives in Atlanta, LA, Baltimore or Chicago to say.. keep my show dont cut my show.. cut the other show because you live ther. But what about the people who live in the other 46 states who have to travel to that show..what is GW doing to make it worth their whileto spend the money and take the time to go.
