Artist background vs naturals...

wiccanpony

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:D I think some of the most beautiful art .were prehistoric cave paintings.......the only school the folks had were their eyes and years of watching the world around them.
 

mistamick

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Yep, we saw some in France. They were pretty impressive considering how old they were. No NMM though. Such a shame.
 

electrolito 77

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Originally posted by philologus
But the big question is: how much do you (not you Cindy; just in general) owe in student loans for a formal art education and what kind of money do you earn as a result. :D

electrolito: I see you are located in FayetteNam. Are you by chance in the military?

Yes I am. I am assigned to USASOC. Are you?
 

frenchkid

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Originally posted by StarFyre
many of the french painters should answer this as from what Jeremie posted some time ago, one advantage they have is that some ofthem are trained artists from university...

Not just pure hobbyists, if that makes sense...

Other than natural talent, alot of the theory of movement, lighting, shadows, and technique are taught in some classes.
Would this not help more in depth than just reading articles and practicing? Since a trained artist ALSO practices, but the theory is in addition to this.

Sanjay

Even those that don\'t (have an artistic background), seem to have impressive knowledge of art from what I\'v seen. Not to talk about anatomy when they start sculpting ( learning all the bones and muscles just to sculpt :eek: )
 

electrolito 77

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Originally posted by frenchkid
Originally posted by StarFyre
many of the french painters should answer this as from what Jeremie posted some time ago, one advantage they have is that some ofthem are trained artists from university...

Not just pure hobbyists, if that makes sense...

Other than natural talent, alot of the theory of movement, lighting, shadows, and technique are taught in some classes.
Would this not help more in depth than just reading articles and practicing? Since a trained artist ALSO practices, but the theory is in addition to this.

Sanjay

Even those that don\'t seem to have impressive knowledge of art from what I\'v seen. Not to talk about anatomy when they start sculpting ( learning all the bones and muscles just to sculpt :eek: )

This is exactly the type of advantage I was talking about. I think I should take some art classes. Maybe just to test it out and give some feedback on this topic in the future... see how it turns out for me (or my minis).
 

Infidel Castro

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You know the old argument we had where we all gassed on about miniature painting as art...and we kind of came to a slight overall agreement that it probably wasn\'t art? I was thinking. If a fella like Damien Hirst painted a copy of The Thinker in a way that made it look even more 3D than just the sculpture, would that be art? Opinion-wise of course, as none of us could answer definitively, I\'m sure.
 

frenchkid

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Originally posted by reverend
You know the old argument we had where we all gassed on about miniature painting as art...and we kind of came to a slight overall agreement that it probably wasn\'t art? I was thinking. If a fella like Damien Hirst painted a copy of The Thinker in a way that made it look even more 3D than just the sculpture, would that be art? Opinion-wise of course, as none of us could answer definitively, I\'m sure.

No, because it would be a purely technical exercise. For me, the simple fact that one can reconize personal touch on great paintjob makes mini art. That and a couple of other reasons. All coming up in a futur article with the explanation and all :p
 

Ogrebane

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@reverend hmm I dont remeber agreeing to that. I trhink art is in the eye of the beholder and some of the stuff i=on this site is definitely art.
 

Torn blue sky

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Quote Dragonsreach~ \"Did art for 4 years at school........Can\'t say I learned anything because it was the 60\'s and lessons were \"Unstructured!\" \"

lol I take it it\'s along the lines of \"Get your paper here, pens there...Now draw something!\"

As for Damien Hirst, he wouldn\'t know creative talent if it booted him in the nuts!
Perhaps a personal view - but I quite honestly think theres a kneehigh crayola scrawling on someones wallpaper now thats sheer inspired genius compared to, oh say , a sheep suspended in Formaldehide. Thats not art for god\'s sake! It\'s a lab specimen! :rolleyes:
 

timshinn73

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I graduated from art school and have worked for 10 years as a storyboard artist. I work for the film industry from time to time as well. I also paint, sculpt, draw comics, kitbash, and, of course, paint minis. I had a natural talent for art as a child but have been professionally trained (art school and the school of hard knocks).

Seems like this thread should have included a poll. Might have given a guess as to the percentage of trained and non-trained. Just a thought. :idea:
 

philologus

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Originally posted by electrolito 77
Originally posted by philologus
But the big question is: how much do you (not you Cindy; just in general) owe in student loans for a formal art education and what kind of money do you earn as a result. :D

electrolito: I see you are located in FayetteNam. Are you by chance in the military?

Yes I am. I am assigned to USASOC. Are you?

Not anymore. Did some time in the eighty-deuce. I was in 4/325AIR. They were de-commed while I was there then became the 3/325 when Vicenza became Geronimo 509th. USASOC huh. You in group? I served in 3rd Ranger Batt. as well.

In order to avoid criticism I will answer the original question: I had 6 classes in art during my High School years. Didn\'t help a bit with my understanding of art in general. What understanding I have was due to interest and autodidactic efforts. My whole opinion on art is thus:

I think anything can be Art; who am I to judge: as long as it\'s not funded by my tax dollars. When my tax money goes to crucifixes submerged in urine then it\'s righteous Judgement Day on the pinko parasites.
 

frenchkid

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Originally posted by reverend
So my friend, you have the answers, non? Expliquez vous lol
LOL
Most certainly not THE answer, but a form of defining art that leads me to conclude that mini painting can be art. Just a bit of philosophie I\'ll have to put in writing, all stolen from other philosophers of course :p
 
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