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bgcdazzler

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Absolutely brilliant.

I don't think you need to worry about the green on the back Bailey - you can tie it all together by having green on the base.
 
Sicks

Sicks

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Simply phenomenal, perhaps if you are worried about the back you could do the quiver in the same pattern as the green arm, not sure how feasible that is though
 
Bailey03

Bailey03

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Thanks, everyone!

Here's a picture from the box art showing the rear of the figure. The quiver is an odd design (at least by my western standards). It's just a small box that the arrows are stuck in. Not much I can do with that in terms of adding color or patterns. Maybe the ribbon tying the arrows together, but that's pretty small. For now I won't worry about it too much. There are stiff more pieces to add to the back (in addition to the quiver, there's the cord tying down the shoulder panels and the sword coming out from his side), so perhaps that will help break up the rear of the figure visually. And yeah, I can also do something with the base.
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Bailey03

Bailey03

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10, yeah, I could make the 'socks' green. The color scheme for everything else has pretty much been set by what I've done on the front, so they are one of the few parts I could do a different color on. However, my concern is anything green on the back is going to grab the eye and, if it's the cloth on the calves, it's going to drag the eye down to the ground... which isn't where I want the focus. It could work, but is has me worried enough that I'm going to avoid it.
 
ten ball

ten ball

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Just block one in with the base green and see how it looks on a photo. Theres a riot of colour going on at the top so it might balance the mini.
 
Bailey03

Bailey03

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Yeah, good idea. Perhaps I'll give that a try.

In other samurai related news, I've started thinking about the base. I came to the realization that I really should have dealt with that long ago before I started painting the figure. Fitting him to a base is not going to be easy and, now that he's mostly painted with a number of fragile parts attached, it's going to be even more difficult. But, that's what I get for procrastinating on my bases!

My plan is to have him kneeling on some rubble, maybe part of a destroyed building or a ruined wall. But that way I can have a mostly flat rock slab at the correct angle for his bent leg to rest on. I've seen people carve bases like that out of pink insulation foam, so I'm going to give that a try. My hope is I can use that to build up the rubble pile around the pin in his leg and then just slide it off and attach it to the rest of the groundwork. That should let me build the base with the least amount of handling of the figure.

Anyone done much work using foam to create rocks, stones, or structures? If you've got any advice on carving it or any tips I'd be happy to hear them!
 
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Gino2dope

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Hi Bailey,

great work, man. You are now in my top-5 of favourite acrylic painters, with others like Diego Ruina and Jaume Ortiz!

Whenever I need a rocky groundwork I make a rough form out of insulation foam (althought I also like to use the isulation ependable foam which you can buy in spray cans as I find it lighter and easier to cut, yet as sturdy as the panels). Once I'm happy with the basic form I cove this with a mix of magic sculp and pigments (in the colour I like the rock to be). while still wet I press a real stone in to get the structure of stone (By now I have a bunch of stones with different patterns). Make sure to keep the surface humid as otherwise the Magic Sculp will stick from the stone and lift from the base. I'll try to post some pics of a rocky scene I did recently in my WIP thread sone so you can check it out should you wish.

Keep up the excellent work,

Gino(2dope)
 
Bailey03

Bailey03

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Thanks, Gino. Yeah, now that you mention it, I remember hearing that you could use real rocks at a stamp to create texture. But it was buried somewhere in the back of my mind, so thank you for the reminder!
 
KruleBear

KruleBear

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Rather than stone you could use a beam. Could use balsa or the same foam you are thinking about. I am thinking one of those ornate Jpanese arches knocked over. Whenever I think of old Japan I think of wood structure instead of stone.
 
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bgcdazzler

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I think you should get another 90mm samurai, do all the free handing again, add some blood, and have him leaning on his fallen comrade. Should only take you half an hour... :)
 
Bailey03

Bailey03

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Ha, I'd thought about having him kneeling on a dead horse... but the idea of painting a horse just for the base seemed like it was going to take a lot of time that I don't have!

Krule, I'm sure they had some stone, if just for the foundation of the buildings and arches. I haven't started construction, so I'll take a look at some arches and other japanese architecture to see if I can get some more ideas.
 
fluisterwoud

fluisterwoud

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Old Japan definitely had stone, look at Edo Castle, built in the 1400s and had a brick base. But they still used a lot of wood too, and the idea of a fallen torii might not be too bad.

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If you want to get real fancy with the pink foam you can carve a stone lantern (tōrō):

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You can also google image search Japanese stone shrine and stone lanterns and get a lot of great ideas.
 
BloodASmedium

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Im not even worried.....david will figure it out and being a multi first place winner at crustal brush as well as nova open i bet "my eyesight' hell deliver ........again.
 
Demihuman

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Bailey03

Bailey03

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Well, this guy is from the 900-1100's, so a bit early for canons. The horse is tempting, but I think that's taking on too much. I've still got to finish this figure, plus the pirate and the Northumbrian. It doesn't help that I'm losing two weeks of painting time to a trip (not that I'm complaining about a vacation!). Show isn't until end of March, but I'm sure I'll be working right up until then.
 
AndyG

AndyG

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Do you know what mate Im starting to come around on this mini. I think my main problem has been the boxart finished pic I think the slightly simpler less jarring paint job your doing is making this into a winner. I suppose the true sign of a great painter is making a mini with issues into something that makes people go wow. Youre pulling the rabbit out of the hat with this one.
I agree about no horse. Maybe an earthen redoubt instead? Stakes and pilled earth?
 
Zab

Zab

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I vote for stone and clay tiled roof or stone and edge of wooden bridge. Easy peasy. And ties into his orangey outfit :)
 
Bailey03

Bailey03

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Thanks, Andy. I think the box art had two problems. One was the color choice. The other was the angle of the figure. As you can see below, the way he's set into the base has him leaning forward, which puts the face in shadow. They also picked the other helmet crest which, while very cool looking, further hides the face.
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I'm planning to pose him more upright, just like he is here
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I've been doing a bit of research for the base. The Japanese stone lanterns (toro) and the archways (torii) both date back to the time of this figure (Heian period) or earlier. I'm thinking some earth piled up and maybe a toppled stone lantern. Or part of a collapsed archway. I like the idea of including one of those since I think they're easily recognizable as Japanese (or at the very least Asian). I'd like to have a base that feels like it's supposed to be Japan, rather than a more generic base. Zab, part of a bridge is another interesting idea. Those curved bridges definitely have that same Japanese feel to them. I'll keep it in mind as I play around with the scene. I just don't want it to get too big and even a portion of the bridge might more than I've got space for.
 
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