arogers907
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Speaking of photography... did you ever get your swanky new camera sorted, Liz?
biased against historicals
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airhead
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I went and looked at your gallery. You need to thin your paints A LOT. I\'m not sure what you are using for paint, but it is going on like stucco by the time you\'ve finished.
This is not meant to hurt, but to help you get out of those 4\'s & 5\'s.
As to historicals, take a peek in my favorites and you\'ll find one by
THIS GUY. He does both historicals and GW stuff to a degree that I can only dream of.
To be honest raising a thread about a \"Bias\" regarding any type of figure Historical or Imagination based, isn\'t going to solve anything.
The percentage of people who are most active on the site in terms of Forums, are clearly\"Open-Minded\" about what genre the figures are.
What is the greatest area where you have a potential issue about, is the inconsistancy of voters who are not active in any other area ;except voting and have a limited exposure to the miniature figure world. (Such as Teenage GW fanboys).
Old farts like me cut our teeth on Historical miniatures, and can hark back to painting competitions where if you didn\'t have the exact shade of Brass on a figures buttons you were disqualified. (I jest Ye not!)
So to me there is no \"Bias\" in voting. especially as I have at least 3 figures in my Work In Progress collection which are at least 10 years older than the highest scoring painter on the site.
The percentage of people who are most active on the site in terms of Forums, are clearly\"Open-Minded\" about what genre the figures are.
What is the greatest area where you have a potential issue about, is the inconsistancy of voters who are not active in any other area ;except voting and have a limited exposure to the miniature figure world. (Such as Teenage GW fanboys).
Old farts like me cut our teeth on Historical miniatures, and can hark back to painting competitions where if you didn\'t have the exact shade of Brass on a figures buttons you were disqualified. (I jest Ye not!)
So to me there is no \"Bias\" in voting. especially as I have at least 3 figures in my Work In Progress collection which are at least 10 years older than the highest scoring painter on the site.
Dragonsreach is right, in here you a preaching to the choir, and until the behemoth that is GW collapses, or more of the teenage fanboys grow up and realize the marketing strategies that GW employ are solely to rape there pockets. You will have to be content with those of us who do score it higher and appreciate the details and creativity that are within historical gaming.
mrbadexample
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no pian inflicted, others have said the same thing. on a few the figures have had a few coats and been repainted a few times through the ages. so that is some of it. some of it is the paints i use, they get sort of funky toward the end of the bottle.
but i am not worried about my score, the figs looks funky because of the camera, when you paint them for gaming they are meant to be seen at arms length. so some of the close ups dont do them justice.
I know this is off-topic, but I don\'t really understand all the angst against GW. Yeah their stuff can be expensive, but so can a lot of other companies out there.
The fact is that practically EVERY company that produces the minis and the games we all enjoy painting and playing is in this business for one reason: to make a profit. And there\'s nothing wrong with that. EVERY mini company wants some of what\'s in your pockets and while GW may charge more, by and large I believe they have a quality product to offer and the fact is that the maket supports the prices. In other words, there is sufficient demand to justify the higher price level. The good news here is that there are quite a number of competing companies emerging out there like Wyrd that have a really fresh and fantastic product to offer to give GW a run for their money. Competition by it\'s very nature brings prices down.
It just so happens that GW has made for themselves the single largest market-share within this industry. A company doesn\'t generally create that kind of presence by doing things poorly. Not to mention that we probably all ought to hope that GW doesn\'t truly collapse because many of the other mini producers out there, if we are honest, are making alternative models that can be used for less money as stand-ins in the GW family of games.
Like them or not, the collapse of GW could be a serious detriment to the rest of the wargaming and miniatures industry.
I\'m not a GW fanboy nor am I connected with them or even particularly partial to them. I just don\'t understand all the negativity that seems to be directed at them. It seems to me that it boils down to the fact that they are the biggest target in the field and nothing more.
Okay, rant over, now back to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress.
Well for me its there marketing policy. They dont re-write the rules every 4 years to try and get game balance or release new codexs for balance, its a marketing strategy. If they change the game every 4 years changing the focus of power within the game, they force you to buy new stuff to remain competitive, not all mini company\'s follow this sort of marketing strategy.
As for game support I don\'t know if you were around to remember the GW Forums. 2 incidents took part on those forums that lost me. The first was the removal of the squat race from 40k, now this in itself is not the worse thing, but the fact that making any reference to them in any way on the old forums after a warning meant an immediate and permanent ban. The second was the removal of the forums because GW decided with all its financial might that they were not cost effective to the game. I am only speaking for myself here but that is why I hate GW.
As for game support I don\'t know if you were around to remember the GW Forums. 2 incidents took part on those forums that lost me. The first was the removal of the squat race from 40k, now this in itself is not the worse thing, but the fact that making any reference to them in any way on the old forums after a warning meant an immediate and permanent ban. The second was the removal of the forums because GW decided with all its financial might that they were not cost effective to the game. I am only speaking for myself here but that is why I hate GW.
It\'s not quite that simple What the cost effectiveness was about was the amount of Armour clad Panzer driven moderation they had to have.Wombat85 said:
No mention of any other companies products, no criticism of their products or company, no deviation from the offical \"fluff\".
This is quite an interesting discussion, which I have had no end of times the other way as it were, fantasy not being proper modeling as they are not real things, you would be surprised at some of the things I have heard said about fantasy pieces, I like Dragon Reach started doing military figures and some of my friends are the top military painters and scuptors, but fantasy/sci fi floats my boat now.
TBH its just the same hobby I am just painting a different subject, people who see a difference should realise this quick, like Adrian Bay theres quite a lot of the top military painters do both, Adrian Hopwood, Pietro Balloni, Dave Maddox, just some off the top of my head.
A small note, the gentleman you talk of, Roy Hunt, his second piece was called Gods Children and got a gold at Euro militaire last year where with the piece above Storm Child he won BOS (Like The Slayer Sword at GD), the unfortunate thing here is that Roy passed away unexpectedly a couple of weeks ago, its a blow to the hobby but much more so to his wife and large family, he will be sadly missed by us all but by them the most.
Robin
TBH its just the same hobby I am just painting a different subject, people who see a difference should realise this quick, like Adrian Bay theres quite a lot of the top military painters do both, Adrian Hopwood, Pietro Balloni, Dave Maddox, just some off the top of my head.
A small note, the gentleman you talk of, Roy Hunt, his second piece was called Gods Children and got a gold at Euro militaire last year where with the piece above Storm Child he won BOS (Like The Slayer Sword at GD), the unfortunate thing here is that Roy passed away unexpectedly a couple of weeks ago, its a blow to the hobby but much more so to his wife and large family, he will be sadly missed by us all but by them the most.
Robin
Roger Bunting
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That\'s sad to hear about Roy. 
freakinacage
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yes indeedOriginally posted by Roger Bunting
That\'s sad to hear about Roy.
AinuLainour
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I didn\'t have the opportunity to speak with him but I did see his miniatures. Being one of the best hobbyists at the show, they were certainly hard to miss! I hope his family is doing o-k.
RIP Roy.
RIP Roy.
mrbadexample
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well i dont want to get too far off topic, which we have. but hey
as far as GW goes, i agree its the marketing and repackaging the figs over and over again. Plus as far as historical games go if i show up at a tournment for say piquet, or even flames of war, i dont need to have figures from that company to play. i just have to have them based for the game. so i can show up with a mixed army of old glory, foundry, perry(well not to flames of war, but insert other 15mm ww2 figs) and not have any problems. They have huge DBA and even warhammer historicals events at historicon every year and they can use what they want. so its all part of the marketing ploy
in fact the guys at GW own wargames foundry, who for a long time were the top of the line in historical, they had the perrys, and ally morrison and most of the GW stable doing stuff for them(and you could use the renn. germans for empire and the 100 years war french for brentonia, in some cases they were the SAME figs, but then dont try to get em into a game)
well foundry dropped the ball(all thier sculpters left too) when they tried to do the GW tactic. they started selling figures in 8 man packs, which is frustrating when you realize that most wargames run in 10, or 20 man units. you have to buy more than you need to make units. people got bent. used tobe you could buy one fig at a time. those days are gone and so, frankly are the days of foundry supremacy in the market.
its bryan ansells fault and by the way, he is a real ass hole. ive had the displeasure of meeting him on two occasions and both times left me feeling rather violent towards him. but thats another story(he is just like teh guys at GW stores, only a thousand times more pretentious)
the other thing i dont like about GW is the figs themselves. I jut dont like the bulky look. call me kooky but i just dont groove on a bunch of dudes with weapons 12 times larger than the person wielding it, and all covered in esoteric spikey bits. they are just way too cluttered. frankly i think i prefer the old ral parthas for fantasy, and well there isnt much left out there in the Sci FI arena that isnt trying to be a cheap knock off of GW. so all you get is guys toting(again) huge guns. which just looks stupid. its not at all cool. cool would be proportionate.
dont get me wrong the occasional fig with an oversized weapon is fine. makes that hero look more heroic, but everyone?
everything you get for gw will be useless in a few years and you will be required to buy newer versions, i just dont have teh time for that crap really. its all too much.
now lets get back to the topic at hand
is there a bias against historical figs.
this isnt about me and mine, or about GW. just in general
as far as GW goes, i agree its the marketing and repackaging the figs over and over again. Plus as far as historical games go if i show up at a tournment for say piquet, or even flames of war, i dont need to have figures from that company to play. i just have to have them based for the game. so i can show up with a mixed army of old glory, foundry, perry(well not to flames of war, but insert other 15mm ww2 figs) and not have any problems. They have huge DBA and even warhammer historicals events at historicon every year and they can use what they want. so its all part of the marketing ploy
in fact the guys at GW own wargames foundry, who for a long time were the top of the line in historical, they had the perrys, and ally morrison and most of the GW stable doing stuff for them(and you could use the renn. germans for empire and the 100 years war french for brentonia, in some cases they were the SAME figs, but then dont try to get em into a game)
well foundry dropped the ball(all thier sculpters left too) when they tried to do the GW tactic. they started selling figures in 8 man packs, which is frustrating when you realize that most wargames run in 10, or 20 man units. you have to buy more than you need to make units. people got bent. used tobe you could buy one fig at a time. those days are gone and so, frankly are the days of foundry supremacy in the market.
its bryan ansells fault and by the way, he is a real ass hole. ive had the displeasure of meeting him on two occasions and both times left me feeling rather violent towards him. but thats another story(he is just like teh guys at GW stores, only a thousand times more pretentious)
the other thing i dont like about GW is the figs themselves. I jut dont like the bulky look. call me kooky but i just dont groove on a bunch of dudes with weapons 12 times larger than the person wielding it, and all covered in esoteric spikey bits. they are just way too cluttered. frankly i think i prefer the old ral parthas for fantasy, and well there isnt much left out there in the Sci FI arena that isnt trying to be a cheap knock off of GW. so all you get is guys toting(again) huge guns. which just looks stupid. its not at all cool. cool would be proportionate.
dont get me wrong the occasional fig with an oversized weapon is fine. makes that hero look more heroic, but everyone?
everything you get for gw will be useless in a few years and you will be required to buy newer versions, i just dont have teh time for that crap really. its all too much.
now lets get back to the topic at hand
is there a bias against historical figs.
this isnt about me and mine, or about GW. just in general
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