Congrats New #1

[EricJ]

Well I\'m not one to fly off the handle, but I\'m also not one to sit around when I see something is wrong and pretend it isn\'t.

Molebrain is right, my questions were never addressed or answered and and I curious why they have been so vigeriously avoided actually, that got me more involved in this thread than anything. Why keep bringing up that votes were removed in a different period of time for example? My debate class would tell me it\'s a good distraction technique.

Do I think it\'s a huge deal, no, but I do think that it is something with some importance. All of us to some degree value the rankings on this site whether you admit it or not. Everyone with a ranking in their sig, everyone who took some joy the last time they topped their best score, etc...There are so many ways that the rating system on this site help push us to achieve, or just to pick up the brush. When something happens to devalue the system it takes a little something away from everyone who enjoys this site. In other venues in the past I\'ve defended the rating system on cmon, because I thought despite it\'s flaws it worked pretty well, but that will be much harder now.

It\'s true I probably would not have gotten so involved had I not been stuck at work today and the server was down so I had nothing to do. Also probably would not have if I had not taken so many debate and negotiation classes back in college and secretly love a good debate. However now that I am home I am back with my brush and worrying about bigger issues (what darn metal type to paint on this dragyri!), but figured I\'d post while she was driying from the last glaze of paint.

Ignore the issue if thats easier and talk about breasts, I like them as much as the next guy.

 

[MarkusTay]

Breasts are good, breasts are nice, I think I\'ll have mine over rice...

Click here to see my favourite breasts!

Now thats what I\'m talking about.lol

 

[finn17]

The thing is Eric...

Originally posted by EricJ
Ignore the issue if thats easier and talk about breasts, I like them as much as the next guy.

To most of us, it simply isn\'t an issue at all.

That\'s not to decry your concerns, but this is not an obvious example of cheating, if anything, the fault lies with the CMON engine which we all know is not bullet proof. Nor is anything...\'hanging chads\' ring a bell??? If we can\'t get that right then I wouldn\'t lose too much sleep over the possible inaccuracies of a painted toy soldier site

 

[Molebrain]

Originally posted by finn17

But Victoria, Goddess of paint that she is, only posts a couple of minis a year. Her sole two posts in 2004 were put up as much for eBay purposes as anything else. No one appreciates Victoria\'s work more than me, but that level of engagement will not keep you at number one.
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I don\'t see what the number of pieces someone posts has anything to do with their quality? So what if Victoria isn\'t a prolific poster. If she has 5 pieces that are rated higher than anyone elses than she should be #1. Until Alexi\'s minis start scoring better than Vic\'s she is #2. Still way better than I am, and ultimately unimportant, but #2 nonetheless.

Zach

 

[finn17]

Simple maths my good man...

Originally posted by Molebrain
So what if Victoria isn\'t a prolific poster. If she has 5 pieces that are rated higher than anyone elses than she should be #1. Until Alexi\'s minis start scoring better than Vic\'s she is #2. Still way better than I am, and ultimately unimportant, but #2 nonetheless.

Six \'9s\' will always beat five \'10s\'

 

[finn17]

Double post! *Note to self, ban finn17*

There are now two parallel threads. People who have been following this one...should also read this one:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=8132

 

[Mosch]

Orginal gepostet von finn17

Originally posted by Molebrain
So what if Victoria isn\'t a prolific poster. If she has 5 pieces that are rated higher than anyone elses than she should be #1. Until Alexi\'s minis start scoring better than Vic\'s she is #2. Still way better than I am, and ultimately unimportant, but #2 nonetheless.

Six \'9s\' will always beat five \'10s\'

No they won\'t, as only the five best minis are used in the calculation...

 

[finn17]

Fair play. My mistake.

I don\'t know how many minis are used in the calculation, because frankly, I don\'t give a flying toss.

I am not getting at you Mosch, but I don\'t care who\'s first, who\'s last or who\'s in the bloody middle.

I have nothing more to say in this matter. It appears we have already lost an old and valued member over such \'toy soldier trivia\' and, frankly, if duty didn\'t call, I think I might be tempted to join Dauber on his sabatical.

I stand by my sig...

 

[Zordana]

No offense Finn, but I hate your sig

 

[Drake Farstrider]

Personally I don\'t give a damn who #1 is! I think that if you are in the top 10, maybe even in the top 20 then you are one of, if not the best painters in the world. If you are in the Top 20, then you are going to have fan-boy\'s/girl\'s, they will vote on your stuff and your scores will go up.

Now this being said Eric does bring up some valueable points. If his math is right then that is a lot of votes in a very short time frame. Did she cheat? If she did then shame on her. If she did not, then no harm no foul.

Oh btw this thread has caused me to go look at Alexi\'s stuff and vote on them.

 

[wereweevil]

I think Finn\'s right - no point getting too bent out of shape about any of this. Crooked or not, the quality of the work is amongst the top echelon here, and if anything seems to be at fault, it\'s the engine tabulating the results.
I am a firm beleiver that older submissions here are rated higher in general than newer ones, as the bar keeps being raised, or ideas are no longer as original as they once were, so newer posts tend to score less overall if anything, even though the quality is higher.
I have seen Vic\'s work first hand on many occasions, and I can say with some degreee of certainty that the (technical anyway) quality of Alexi\'s is far superior - although her originality/creativity is not as high as Vic\'s.
I think this debate is simply a good excuse to \'chew the fat over a topic we love - our mini\'s

 

[Mosch]

Orginal gepostet von finn17
I am not getting at you Mosch, but I don\'t care who\'s first, who\'s last or who\'s in the bloody middle.

Me neither, but take into consideration that I\'m last lol

 

[Mordred]

well, beside the fact that this discussion is going way offtopic, I want to support EricJ here... Every one of you guys is either blinded by Alexi\'s dashing looks ( and you have every right to be ) or abit intimidated by the fact that she is indeed one of the best painters in the world, but Eric\'s questions still haven\'t been answered.
Nobody here should be taking cheap shots at Eric, because he just wants to know how such strange things can happen. He has every right to do so, and has made some very valid points that are still unanswered.
And you can go babbling on about boobs and how wonderful she can paint, I doubt neither one of these, but fact remains that there were some odd jumps, and it seems to me EricJ is the only one here who has the cohoñes to notice this and stand his ground about it too.

 

[praetorian0_1]

So has anyone seen that fun thread?
Its nice.honest

 

[praetorian0_1]

Here\'s the link and everything

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=7917

 

[frenchkid]

Originally posted by Mordred

well, beside the fact that this discussion is going way offtopic, I want to support EricJ here... Every one of you guys is either blinded by Alexi\'s dashing looks ( and you have every right to be ) or abit intimidated by the fact that she is indeed one of the best painters in the world,

... or we simply don\'t give a shit about it !!! Too bad for her if she did cheat, good for her if she didn\'t. Ain\'t going to affect me either way.

 

[Arjay]

Whilst I have only posted here a few times I do visit regularly and have enjoyed many of this forum\'s topics immensely. That said I have to say that this particular topic has really bothered me.

Like it or not people are naturally competitive and some will place a lot more importance in the ratings here than others. Why is this any less valid than placing importance in tennis or golf rankings? To someone who paints, painting is possibly as important to them as tennis is to Leyton Hewitt and I can assure you that the rankings are important to him.

I don\'t think anyone here has the right to label Eric\'s stance as being pathetic particularly in light of many people\'s juvenile comments regarding another painter\'s \'boobs\' which I personally found more pathetic than probably anything else I\'ve read here.

I don\'t know if any cheating has occurred here and I don\'t know if I really care but Eric does have the right to ask questions without being ridiculed.

 

[Mosch]

Orginal gepostet von frenchkid

Originally posted by Mordred

well, beside the fact that this discussion is going way offtopic, I want to support EricJ here... Every one of you guys is either blinded by Alexi\'s dashing looks ( and you have every right to be ) or abit intimidated by the fact that she is indeed one of the best painters in the world,

... or we simply don\'t give a shit about it !!! Too bad for her if she did cheat, good for her if she didn\'t. Ain\'t going to affect me either way.

If fifty people cheated their way past you, you would be affected now, wouldn\'t you?

I don\'t know if she cheated or not, I know basic maths and see the evidence stacked against her. I don\'t care if she\'s number negatve sixteen, but cheating your way there is basically abusing CMON for your own egoistic purpose.
In my mind, she has earned a high rank, but not the right to cheat. Once again, I don\'t know if she did, but I know how I see her after her constant poking fun at Margo and the CCV thing. But I don\'t have to marry her, so let her do what she wants and ignore what you don\'t like, that\'s how I see it....

(Maybe I should post that picture again...)

 

[NetGuru]

Well Alexi_Z is now placed 6th with 9.57, while goatman is #1 with 9.70, according to my computer...

So it proves that fame is a ficle thing

 

[Trevor]

Yes, this is supposed to be fun, but also the scores do matter, or else we wouldn\'t have them.

Irrespective of what happened to Alexi, the fact is that if you have more than 100 votes, and your score changes by 0.1 or more (either up or down) in a day, then something odd has happened, because, as Eric has pointed out it takes a lot of 10\'s or removed 1\'s to do that and no-one gets that many votes in a day. That was why Robius was caught out, far too many votes in too short a time.

But then at the end of the day, its not really worth stressing about.