veggiemanuk
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Ok, heres todays poll. A little more subjective than the last.
If the answer is no, please explain.
If the answer is no, please explain.
Does alien sentient life exist?
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Or is this all random energy collisions in the deeper realms of String Mechanics?
I would say yes, absolutely.
The universe is so large it is uncomprehendable. Mathmatically, the odds of sentient life elsewhere are so close to being a sure thing, that in reality it is a sure thing.
Whether that life could find us (or vice versa) has incredibly long odds against it, for the very same reason...the enormity of the universe.
The universe is so large it is uncomprehendable. Mathmatically, the odds of sentient life elsewhere are so close to being a sure thing, that in reality it is a sure thing.
Whether that life could find us (or vice versa) has incredibly long odds against it, for the very same reason...the enormity of the universe.
I\'m with supervike...
We\'ve only been \"looking up\" for about 600 years or so. The known universe is about 14 billion years old.....we\'ve observed quasars a little younger than the age of the universe---
We\'ve only begun to speculate on singularities/black holes---we have absolutely no understanding of what ties general relativity and quantum physics together.....but we do know some universal \"rules\" are missing...
There\'s places in deep space where we can look at galaxies that absolutely cover the viewing space..and every small black spot between galaxies is another such view of an infinite number of galaxies. The missing mass problem still hasn\'t come close to being solved.....
That is to say, we still speculate a lot in the realm of cosmology....
So yea...to think we\'re the only intelligent life in the universe is just a bit cocky...
We\'ve only been \"looking up\" for about 600 years or so. The known universe is about 14 billion years old.....we\'ve observed quasars a little younger than the age of the universe---
We\'ve only begun to speculate on singularities/black holes---we have absolutely no understanding of what ties general relativity and quantum physics together.....but we do know some universal \"rules\" are missing...
There\'s places in deep space where we can look at galaxies that absolutely cover the viewing space..and every small black spot between galaxies is another such view of an infinite number of galaxies. The missing mass problem still hasn\'t come close to being solved.....
That is to say, we still speculate a lot in the realm of cosmology....
So yea...to think we\'re the only intelligent life in the universe is just a bit cocky...
Yeah anyone that thinks we are the only living beings in existence need their heads looked at.
The other day I was reading up on Sumerians, cuneiform earliest known form of written expression.They invent the wheel gave us the signs of the zodiac and found and name the first planets.So a smart bunch by all accounts.
Their myths were used by other religions and cultures like Noah\'s flood yet they believed they were made by other beings not from earth.They counted the planets outwards in knew the earth orbited the sun and many other things that make you wonder just how we really got here
.
Not saying I really believe that aliens came to earth engineered the primates they found here and created the first humans but you can not totally discount what they believed in.Today\'s main religions believe it a heaven in one from of another were their god lives and were they go when they die.
The Sumerian Gods came from another planet created us and then left, with the knowledge we have today which is more believable god sitting up in heaven or aliens ?
The other day I was reading up on Sumerians, cuneiform earliest known form of written expression.They invent the wheel gave us the signs of the zodiac and found and name the first planets.So a smart bunch by all accounts.
Their myths were used by other religions and cultures like Noah\'s flood yet they believed they were made by other beings not from earth.They counted the planets outwards in knew the earth orbited the sun and many other things that make you wonder just how we really got here
.Not saying I really believe that aliens came to earth engineered the primates they found here and created the first humans but you can not totally discount what they believed in.Today\'s main religions believe it a heaven in one from of another were their god lives and were they go when they die.
The Sumerian Gods came from another planet created us and then left, with the knowledge we have today which is more believable god sitting up in heaven or aliens ?
I\'ve always liked the quote from Calvin & Hobbes:
The surest proof that there is intelligent life out there is that they haven\'t tried to
contact us yet.
We humans are a self-destructive bunch.
The majority of our entertainment regarding aliens involves them wanting
to eat us, destroy us, or, when they\'re friendly, us trying to capture them or
dissect them or control them.
And we always win.
\"Stay away from Earth. They don\'t get out much, but they\'re indestructible. Avoid
especially this human called John McClane.\"
The surest proof that there is intelligent life out there is that they haven\'t tried to
contact us yet.
We humans are a self-destructive bunch.
The majority of our entertainment regarding aliens involves them wanting
to eat us, destroy us, or, when they\'re friendly, us trying to capture them or
dissect them or control them.
And we always win.
\"Stay away from Earth. They don\'t get out much, but they\'re indestructible. Avoid
especially this human called John McClane.\"
Thunderhawker
New member
To think we were alone in the universe would be \"arrogant presumption\" (thank you Captain Kirk).
generulpoleaxe
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it\'s just too scary to think that we are the oldest sentient race around.
entire planets would be wiped out just for bloomin\' oil.
entire planets would be wiped out just for bloomin\' oil.
Gilvan Blight
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I would have chosen the \"Not Necessarily option\"
The whole the universe is infinite (which it\'s not since it can\'t be exanding if it\'s already infinite) means the odds of anything existing are 1:1, would also be a proof that God Exists, that Rubber ducks float in air as well as water, that the McDonalds I regretfully just finished for lunch tates good, etc. That\'s not a coherant proof at all.
I have seen nor heard any actual proof extra terestrial life exists. The fact that it may exist somewhere and I will never ever see it, interact with it, or be infunced by it in any way shape of form means to me that as far as my life is concerned it doesn\'t exist.
The whole the universe is infinite (which it\'s not since it can\'t be exanding if it\'s already infinite) means the odds of anything existing are 1:1, would also be a proof that God Exists, that Rubber ducks float in air as well as water, that the McDonalds I regretfully just finished for lunch tates good, etc. That\'s not a coherant proof at all.
I have seen nor heard any actual proof extra terestrial life exists. The fact that it may exist somewhere and I will never ever see it, interact with it, or be infunced by it in any way shape of form means to me that as far as my life is concerned it doesn\'t exist.
freakinacage
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damn you!! i was gonna say that!!Originally posted by Avicenna
In an infinite universe the possibility of anything existing is 1.
The universe is so large that it is practically infinite and expanding, so i reckon the likelihood of sentient life other than ourselves is pretty close to that
chances of sentient life are small but in an infinate universe, anything can happen!
Godlikebuthumble
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What Supervike said.
The sheer odds dictate there must be.
The odds are also against us ever making contact. Not only because the universe is pretty feckin\' huge (scientifical term), but also because life (especially higher-developed one) is terrifyingly fragile. Consider this: even if there was sentient life in the next solar system, we might get eradicated or eradicate ourselves well before we\'re able to reach it. Meteor impacts, nasty solar flares, nuclear war, ice age, whatever. www.exitmundi.nl gives some nice examples of that.
Also, sentient life out there might not be as interested in \"alien life forms\" as we are and keep to themselves.
Lastly, if they even made contact, there\'s still the issue of communication and a (mutual) problem of assessing the status of \"(sentient) life form\".
But basically, yeah.
The sheer odds dictate there must be.
The odds are also against us ever making contact. Not only because the universe is pretty feckin\' huge (scientifical term
), but also because life (especially higher-developed one) is terrifyingly fragile. Consider this: even if there was sentient life in the next solar system, we might get eradicated or eradicate ourselves well before we\'re able to reach it. Meteor impacts, nasty solar flares, nuclear war, ice age, whatever. www.exitmundi.nl gives some nice examples of that. Also, sentient life out there might not be as interested in \"alien life forms\" as we are and keep to themselves.
Lastly, if they even made contact, there\'s still the issue of communication and a (mutual) problem of assessing the status of \"(sentient) life form\".
But basically, yeah.
No Such Agency
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Straight from the expert\'s mouth, to be sure
Aaaaanyway, I\'d have to agree with supervike\'s statistical evaluation. If you use the \"Drake equation\":
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(number of stars) x (% of habitable planets) x (a bunch of other things) = number of intelligent species \"out there\"The first term is so enormous that the others can be very small and you\'d still end up with a whole bunch of inhabited worlds. Anyway, forget about contacting or visiting them, the real trick is for us, a mere Type-0 civilization, to even recognize the signs left by others. Our best bet for \"first contact\" would probably be astronomical observations of the telltale thermal signature of someone\'s Dyson Sphere (or other astronomical megastructure).
NINJAWIZARD
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NSA: I have that exact pic of the Captain tacked to my wall in my office at work.
But oh, yeah, I think there\'s other life out there. The earth is not flat, the sun and all the universe does not revolve around us. We are but one of many (IMO) planets out there with life. Maybe not life as far as carbon-based life-forms go, but definately life.
But oh, yeah, I think there\'s other life out there. The earth is not flat, the sun and all the universe does not revolve around us. We are but one of many (IMO) planets out there with life. Maybe not life as far as carbon-based life-forms go, but definately life.
