Does alien sentient life exist?

Rodnik

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I feel the same. But Carl Sagan didn\'t agree at all and had some compelling maths to support his position.

Are you saying that Sagan *didn\'t* believe that intelligent life existed elsewhere?

As I remember...he didn\'t believe the UFO phenomenon could be attributed to aliens, but he *did* believe the possibility for life elsewhere was very plausible. He was the guy that championed SETI.....

But then, I\'m old..and my memory ain\'t what it used to be.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by No Such Agency

Aaaaanyway, I\'d have to agree with supervike\'s statistical evaluation. If you use the \"Drake equation\":

Code:
(number of stars) x (% of habitable planets) x (a bunch of other things) = number of intelligent species \"out there\"

That damn Frank Drake stole that from me! He\'s such a hack.:D
 

Necroghast

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i think it funny when everyone has a philisophical discussion on painting forums. i personally believe (yes influenced by star trek) tht there is other sentient life out there

star trek voayger rocks
 

Swordwind

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The Universe is just too big for us to be the only living thing out there, even if its just a patch of bacteria hiding under a rock out on HD 188753. If that is a certainty, then why not a lifeform that is \"intelligent\" aswell?

Of course all xenos shall perish under fire and sword of the servants of the Emperor!
 

rextalon

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Originally posted by Gilvan BlightThe whole the universe is infinite (which it\'s not since it can\'t be exanding if it\'s already infinite)

A balloon holds all the air that it holds. To the air molecules the interior of the balloon is infinite. Press more air into the balloon and it still holds all the air it holds (the infinite amount) yet it continues to hold more. The universe is expanding AND infinite. Space-Time is the balloon.

Originally posted by SwordwindOf course all xenos shall perish under fire and sword of the servants of the Emperor!

This is the only correct answer to the OP question. ;)

In all seriousness though... Yes, there MUST be other life in the universe. If it falls into our idea of sentient is another matter.
You might also want to consider the rest of Drake as he goes on to ask what time segment the other races might inhabit. We have not existed for very long and we still need to NOT destroy ourselves or our planet.
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
I grabbed the below from here, but wanted to paraphrase post some of the more interesting bits. This is how to make your own quick scale model of the solar system you live in (or at least, most of us in our right minds).

Here\'s the sizes you need:
Sun-any ball, diameter 8.00 inches
Mercury-a pinhead, diameter 0.03 inch
Venus-a peppercorn, diameter 0.08 inch
Earth-a second peppercorn
Mars-a second pinhead
Jupiter-a chestnut or a pecan, diameter 0.90 inch
Saturn-a hazelnut or an acorn, diameter 0.70 inch
Uranus-a peanut or coffeebean, diameter 0.30 inch
Neptune-a second peanut or coffeebean
Pluto- a third pinhead (or smaller, since Pluto is the smallest planet)

Then, you go outside and start walking off spaces:

Put the \"sun\" down. Walk 10 paces.
Put \"Mercury\" down. Walk 9 paces.
Put \"Venus\" down. Walk 7 paces.
Put \"Earth\" down.

Look back at what you\'ve already done. That\'s a lot of empty space. It really hits home when you truly do this physically rather than think about it in your head.

Walk 14 more paces.
Put \"Mars\" down. Damn, that\'s far.

Walk 95 more paces and put \"Jupiter\" down.
Walk another 112 paces and that\'s \"Saturn\".
Walk another 249 paces and you\'re at \"Uranus\".

Stop giggling.

Then another 281 paces and you can put \"Neptune\" down.
Finally, another 242 paces and you can put down lowly non-planet \"Pluto\".

Now, this is my own stuff, just to screw with everybody\'s head:

Alpha Centauri is the closest star system to us. It is roughly 4.22 light years away. In order to put it on the above scaled model, do you know how far you must walk?

I\'ll wait.

It would be 4072 miles (roughly 6100km for our metric friends). Trying to find something equivalent was difficult, but it would be like walking from London to Knoxville, TN.

So, the universe is mostly empty of anything somebody could sit on. But I think that there must be some intelligent life out there. The pitiful thing is, we\'ll probably never find it. I really hope to work on building the planet finding telescopes that take a shot at it at least. Hell, just a good picture of a planet around another star would be enough for me to hang a career on.
 

Monkfish44

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well, if there is and they found us (a type 0 civilisation) they\'d either kill us all or train us as pets. XD and if people on earth cant accept each other, how the hell would we accept beings from other planets. xD
 

Einion

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Originally posted by Rodnik
I feel the same. But Carl Sagan didn\'t agree at all and had some compelling maths to support his position.
Are you saying that Sagan *didn\'t* believe that intelligent life existed elsewhere?
Not exactly. He didn\'t believe that the chance of sentient life having arisen, and still being around, was necessarily high enough that they\'d be there [/i]now[/i], if I remember the details correctly.

And of course given interstellar distances if they were there now and we\'re here now, we\'ll essentially never know about each other. Only if they were broadcasting in our direction hundreds, perhaps thousands of years ago would it make any difference to us now. Ditto for the same in reverse.

Edit: I had a feeling it would be out there somewhere and lo and behold, it\'s right there on YouTube, here. Having watched it again it\'s not a calculation about sentience as I\'d remembered, but about a specific level of technological advancement, which is quite a different matter (much lower number obviously).

Originally posted by Rodnik
As I remember...he didn\'t believe the UFO phenomenon could be attributed to aliens, but he *did* believe the possibility for life elsewhere was very plausible. He was the guy that championed SETI.....
He also wrote the book that the Jodie Foster film Contact was based on.

Einion
 

Dragonsreach

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Staff member
I\'ve always wondered what the first thing alien visitors to Earth would say.

I suspect it\'d be \"Will you turn that bloody volume down!\"
lol lol lol lol lol
 

philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by MPJ
Now if only that sentient life would come to earth we could have peace, love, and harmony amongst all earths peoples as we band together to fight off the new threat.

Except that there would be a faction of humans who would want to dialogue with them. Others would sell out the entire race just to lick the boots of the nearest invader and save their life. The media would blame the alien attack on the US somehow. Eventually our overlords would get sick and just destroy the whole lot.
 

philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by Einion
......He also wrote the book that the Jodie Foster film Contact was based on.

Einion

The boringest book I\'ve ever read. 40K novels are more interesting. Actually VCR instructions are more interesting. And then the end was the perfect example of how to piss off readers with anti-climactic endings.
 

Einion

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Originally posted by philologus
Originally posted by Einion
......He also wrote the book that the Jodie Foster film Contact was based on.
The boringest book I\'ve ever read.
Good to know.

Originally posted by philologus
Actually VCR instructions are more interesting.
lol

Originally posted by Rodnik
@Einion

Yep..I gotcha now....
I just wanted to make sure I wasn\'t senile.
Nope, I was the one having a senior moment :)

Einion
 

MPJ

New member
I noticed a few more \'infinite\' comments and feel I must chime in...

The universe is not infinite, not even remotely close to infinite. The universe is very much finite though expanding. In fact even with it\'s expansionist behavior it is not getting any closer to infinite because infinity by it\'s very definition is not actually a number but rather a concept. It is only our limited perception that views the universe as infinite.

Since the universe is no where near infinite then the 1:1 chance thingie does not apply and the chance that there is a queen size mattress growing life-form in the universe is next to nothing unlike some great authors profess.

That of course does not discount the idea that there are other sentient life forms in the universe as I somewhat expect that the odds are pretty decent of life evolving given similar conditions as exist(ed) here on Earth. Every sun, planet, asteroid, comet, etc... is made from the same basic crap therefore given similar circumstances and conditions similar outcomes could be expected.
 
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