Eldar pimpage + a knight

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Dark Seraphim

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GreenOne

I paint my thumb.
Voted all of them, a bunch of 7 and two 8.
They\'re nice overall. I like the themed bases.
I like the bloody hand idea, but something is wrong. I don\'t think that blood is thick enough co completely cover a raised hand, the skin should be visible at places, imo.
They\'re pretty glossy, prolly volontary on the black armour. In the pics it\'s a little weird but probably better IRL.
Hope they keep clear of the snipers.
 
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hashmallum

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Voted on all - I strongly recommend using matt varnish instead of glossy , also you could work some more on the gems - strong 6es from me ;)

As for the knight - great work on the conversion , but the painting is rather poor:(
The base is the final blow for it...
I won\'t vote since I don\'t like giving low scores...

You could use some tin bitz for basecoat , and then gradually add boltgun metal - to achieve smooth metallics , maybe some inks , and then again metallics...
 
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Dark Seraphim

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The varnish isn\'t for keeping them safe, it\'s a part of the theme, as their armor (black parts) is made from the crystals you see on the bases. So the glossy effect is purely intentional, matt varnish wouldn\'t really make any sense.

And yes, it looks better irl. :)

@Greenone: If you look at the Avatar, his hand is covered by blood at all times. The concept is from that. It\'s not a human hand, it is a armored fist.
 
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Ogrebane

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The eldar were good I voted 7s. It would be nive to see some more work on the gems but then again there are alot of them. I think the knight needs some work. I voted a 6. Some of the lines need cleaning up and then some blacklining is needed to help in some areas the maltese cross is a good example. Also the base could use some work. The idea is good tho. Keep up the good work.
 
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Dark Seraphim

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Thanks for the comments... I\'m a little, or... very disapointed in the count so far... I would have thought they were at least worth a 7.5, but they seem to be getting alot of 5\'s or less... <shrug> I guess it doesn\'t show that I\'ve put alot of work into them...

If people think that I just slapped on some gloss varnish over some black, your sadly mistaken...

The gems do lack on the photos, but look good irl...

Ohh well :)
 
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DaN

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I like the idea - the bone, however varies a bit between figures... Some of the blends are done really well, and others look a bit messy :/

But I like :)
 
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Przemas

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my first advice is : water down your paints. you`ll be able to get thin layers and smooth transitions. layers on your models look too thick , a tad grainy. work on blending between layers - their borders are clearly visible on your minis. also increase contrast a bit. look for example on maugan`s shoulder pad : it simply looks bonewhite. it is also good to be a bit more consistent - on some gems you`ve painted reflections from the light source on the top and on the bottom exactly on the same model.
moreover i`m not too fond about gloss varnish but that was your choice/idea and I respect it.
 
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Dark Seraphim

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Originally posted by Przemas
my first advice is : water down your paints. you`ll be able to get thin layers and smooth transitions. layers on your models look too thick , a tad grainy. work on blending between layers - their borders are clearly visible on your minis. also increase contrast a bit. look for example on maugan`s shoulder pad : it simply looks bonewhite. it is also good to be a bit more consistent - on some gems you`ve painted reflections from the light source on the top and on the bottom exactly on the same model.
moreover i`m not too fond about gloss varnish but that was your choice/idea and I respect it.
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I water down my paints fine, that isn\'t the problem. I blame my crappy GW fine detail brush, fine detail my ass... It\'s haunting me :p

I\'m wondering what it is your trying to say when you say Maugan\'s shoulderpad is bonewhite... as that was the purpose of the whole thing... to make it bonewhite... How is that a bad thing ?...

Also, could you point out the minis where I painted the lightsources on the top and bottom of gems? As I don\'t see that..

The gems will get, eventually, a last highlight with some yellow/orange at the bottom to excentuate the light, but I don\'t have any yellow or orange paint atm... :(

I\'m actually pretty fond of the knight, well, not of the base, but the colouring of the metals, but he does look alot better in real life, that is for sure.

Thank you Vike, brutal is exactly what I\'m going for.

I\'m sorry that using gloss apparently disgusts some people, but I simply can\'t see why... but the pictures DO get affected by the blitz on the gloss, and do give it some strange shines.

All in all, the pictures are good imo, but in real life, these are alot better.

Thanks for the votes guys, although it\'s sad to see them go so low after all that work... hey... that\'s life :D I know I\'m good :cool:
 
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hashmallum

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Ehh Dark....
What to say - you have to try some more , and try to paint cleaner...
The minis look very messy , not clean and ripe. On some pics gloss reflects on the gems , showing that you have chosen the wrong places for lightsources...
You havent smooth transitions between layers of paint , though if you want to compete at Golden Demon you have no chance in youngbloods if Penguin will be allowed to neter :p

Bill will eat you with his new Kislevite :D

Hope to see some improved models from you very soon :D
 
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Przemas

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well, i still think you don`t thin your paints enough - if you do it correctly theu level themselves to rather smooth surface. on the other hand it might be something with varnish aplication.
by writing the shoulder pad is bonewhite and you should increase contrast i meant it looks FLAT bonewhite. no visible highlights / shadoiws on it.
Originally posted by Dark Seraphim

Also, could you point out the minis where I painted the lightsources on the top and bottom of gems? As I don\'t see that..
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here you go:
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look at the first gem from the top. it has that tiny white dot marking the reflaction painted on the bottom, while others has it painted on the top.

well, you might consider yourself a great painter but it doesn`t mean you can`t learn anything. i`ve tried to give you as constructive critique as i can - i think it`s all CMON was designed for. imo it`s not for praise excahnge :p . if you wish to hear only them please add \"be gentle\" or something similar to the description. but be warned - some people may treat you like whimp ;) :D


p.s. no offense man - none inteded :cool:
 
Avelorn

Avelorn

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Some a tiny bit harsh comments, I\'d suggest to allways try to find something positive first before pulling up the chainsaw. :)

Stellar army work, the eldar scheme is simple but it works well. I have two suggestions. First is to apply a bit more contrast to the bone on that phoenix lord, you can use the GW version for reference for placing highlights and shading if you don\'t want to use the more difficult technique of selecting a specific lightsource. Secondly, did you use brush-on gloss or satin varnish? The varnish seem to have a bit uneven finish which shows up in the photos. Dark colours are allways a pain when it comes to applying varnishes.. So in cas you used a brush-on I\'d actually use a spray varnish and then using matt varnish on the parts that should not be glossy.

I saw some great freehand from you in the WIP thread which i\'m very much looking forward to seeing finished!

Edit: Got to compliment on the bloody hands as well, very nice! :)
 
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Originally posted by Dark Seraphim
I\'m sorry that using gloss apparently disgusts some people, but I simply can\'t see why...
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Don\'t think it disgusts people, just don\'t expect to get high scores with glossed stuff on CMON...
 
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Przemas

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agree that photographing shiny objects is tricky, even with diffused light.

harsh ??? ? imo constructive. harsh would be pointing out what`s wrong, saying \"don`t like it\" wihout suggestions what could be done to improve. note that i haven`t written anywhere these minis are poor or anything. c`mon we`re not sissies or mamma boys. i think most of us post our minis here to share and to get better :bouncy:
 
Avelorn

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
Yeah.. your comment was constructive.. and a bit harsh at the same time. ;) Maybe it\'s a bit of a languish thing? Comments sounds so much better if you start out with something positive. And that sissy and mama boys comment.. well that\'s not an argument at all. Even if you aren\'t commenting on someone easily hurt there is no need to make criticism harder to swallow. I\'m not saying you have to.. but I don\'t think it hurts you to point out something positive. We are here to share our work, some of us to get better but most of all we are all here to have fun! :D
 
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