EU countries attracts Americans
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Sand Rat
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I point you in the direction of our bretheren who live in that political conglomeration known as Great Britain.
As for tax funded healthcare being so great, can you explain the number of Canadians of every walk of life including members of government who come south of the border for healthcare?
Health care: take for example a simple Gallbladder surgery.
For those of you who have never had a gallbladder spasm it is excruciatingly painful.
As a female friend with two kids once said \"It\'s worse than labor.\"
I have a friend in the UK right now who has been waiting for 6 months to do a simple procedure that normally takes a simple diagnosis, operation and one day of recuperation. In the US, it usually takes less than two days in total from diagnosis to recuperation.
The problem with national health care is very simple: Bureaucracy, putting the budget before the people.
I\'d personally rather pay more and dictate what I want done, get it done in a timely manner, and done well,than pay more taxes and have any medical procedures that I may need, the when, the where and the why, dictated by politicians, who are by and large a very incompetent, crooked bunch.
You get what you pay for. Always.
And for the record, all hospitals in the US are required to give emergency treatment whether the person has insurance or not, and we do have free health care for all. It\'s called Charity hospitals.
For those of you who have never had a gallbladder spasm it is excruciatingly painful.
As a female friend with two kids once said \"It\'s worse than labor.\"
I have a friend in the UK right now who has been waiting for 6 months to do a simple procedure that normally takes a simple diagnosis, operation and one day of recuperation. In the US, it usually takes less than two days in total from diagnosis to recuperation.
The problem with national health care is very simple: Bureaucracy, putting the budget before the people.
I\'d personally rather pay more and dictate what I want done, get it done in a timely manner, and done well,than pay more taxes and have any medical procedures that I may need, the when, the where and the why, dictated by politicians, who are by and large a very incompetent, crooked bunch.
You get what you pay for. Always.
And for the record, all hospitals in the US are required to give emergency treatment whether the person has insurance or not, and we do have free health care for all. It\'s called Charity hospitals.
@spacemunkie: how can ya quote a two part statement from me, say ya wholeheartedly disagree, and then end up reinforcin\' my statement...
you\'re in n.z., not dreamin\' of bein\' somewhere else...so like i said, the grass is green wherever ya are...your in a beautiful place, and stoked to live there...\'nuff said...
my point is that another day of bein\' alive is the thing that people need to be appreciatin\'...enjoy the fact that you\'re not one of the people in the murder statistics stated in this thread, or one of the people strugglin\' with healthcare...it\'s a lot easier to complain and rage than it is to sit back and appreciate the little things(which is actually the biggest thing), like still bein\' alive...
it sound silly, i know, but wether ya live in sudan, burma, colombia, liberia, or first world spots like france, america, england wherever...life is a struggle day to day, just to appreciate the wonder that is existence...in my travels, i\'ve seen that the poor sufferer is more in touch with the gift of life than the guy who has it all, and lives in complete comfort...
so if livin\' n.z. helps ya be happier with life than bein\' in the u.k., wonderful, but it\'s not paradise on earth...n.z. has it\'s own problems, and it\'s own benfits...all is a precarious balance...
cheers
jah
you\'re in n.z., not dreamin\' of bein\' somewhere else...so like i said, the grass is green wherever ya are...your in a beautiful place, and stoked to live there...\'nuff said...
my point is that another day of bein\' alive is the thing that people need to be appreciatin\'...enjoy the fact that you\'re not one of the people in the murder statistics stated in this thread, or one of the people strugglin\' with healthcare...it\'s a lot easier to complain and rage than it is to sit back and appreciate the little things(which is actually the biggest thing), like still bein\' alive...
it sound silly, i know, but wether ya live in sudan, burma, colombia, liberia, or first world spots like france, america, england wherever...life is a struggle day to day, just to appreciate the wonder that is existence...in my travels, i\'ve seen that the poor sufferer is more in touch with the gift of life than the guy who has it all, and lives in complete comfort...
so if livin\' n.z. helps ya be happier with life than bein\' in the u.k., wonderful, but it\'s not paradise on earth...n.z. has it\'s own problems, and it\'s own benfits...all is a precarious balance...
cheers
jah
Lloyd I have to take issue with you on that statement.
It\'s not the Free (or to be acurate State funded) Healthcare that encourages our \"non-working population\" but the State Benefit Provision provided from our Govt and funded by the working population.
State provided benefits and it\'s abuses are one of the greatest problems we as a country are facing. And no Government is willing to have the balls to face up the fact that all past Govts no matter what the flavour have screwed up to a massive degree.
The ordinary working Joe Stiff, pays for everything, while people on State Benefits can gain access to Fitness/Leisure Centres for nothing, get their rent paid for them, Cash benefits and get paid for having lots of kids and not have to do more than pay lip service to the intent of looking for work.
Ten Years ago I was out of work for 12 months and spent my time applying for over 1500 jobs, got something like 20 interviews, all without Govt help. (Not even towards postage costs) While others who attended the \"Job Centre\" didn\'t even make the slightest effort to try to look.
Then take the example of Chris (Generulpoleaxe) who used his skills as a musician to set himself up as a small business as a Guitar Tutor, with a little help from the Job Centre. Now because he has a \"business\" he isn\'t entitled to SH*T in terms of assistance from the state should he be unable to work.
I\'m not even going to delve in to the amount of Benefit Fraud which is costing the British Taxpayers over £2Billion per year.
So Free Healthcare is not the issue, but the Govt\'s Social Welfare \"Free for All\" is.
Ok that\'s me \"Steamed off\" the pressure for a few days.
That is no different than it is here in the states Mike.
That is my fear, that our Government will turn more and more into a nanny state, where they provide our every need, from cradle to grave.
Honest folks, that get up everyday, and go to work pick up the tab for those deadbeats. Granted there are people that need and should be on government assistance, but not in the numbers that they are.
I\'ve been in far too many \'low income\' houses only to realize that many have big screen TVs, the latest video gear, new furniture, all the toys and gadgets, all on someone elses dime. It\'s hard to garner sympathy for those people.
In this non-stop political season we\'ve been having, they have talked alot about the demographic of \'white angry men\'. Which I obviously fall into. We deserve to be angry. All we do is work, pay our bills, deal with inflation, and then get told we aren\'t doing enough...all while they take a huge chunk of our money for \'taxes\'. I don\'t mind paying my fair share, but I hardly think we all pay a \'fair share\'.
Health care is the last thing our inept, wrapped in red taped government should ever consider. What they should be doing is creating legislation and laws that encourage proper growth, and solutions to problems that encourages the FREE MARKET to be able to deal with the issues.
To think your government needs to take care of you is the most backward thinking I can imagine. All we need them for is national defense, public safety and roads, and to be a facilitator of good public policy. The rest we can figure out for ourselves.
james sequeira
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I know what you mean about the job centre mike, i spent 4 months looking for work after my A levels. The only things I got from the job centre were mostly dead end jobs with no prospects, granted im in one of those jobs now but at least i didnt sit around on job seekers allowance.
When I went in one time this guy, a real mess, even I wouldnt give him an interview was applying for a new bennift so he could go and learn advanced maths. Once he left, the guy he had been with said to the woman next to him, he doesnt even have any intention to do that its just booze money to him.
When I went in one time this guy, a real mess, even I wouldnt give him an interview was applying for a new bennift so he could go and learn advanced maths. Once he left, the guy he had been with said to the woman next to him, he doesnt even have any intention to do that its just booze money to him.
The original intent of our Social Benefit systems were well meant, trying to improve the situation from a very imbalanced:-
\"If you are poor you work \'til you died\",
\"If you can\'t afford a Doctor, tough\"
social climate to one where equality of treatment was the norm.
HOWEVER, as with all good Socialist Intentions it has failed to take into account that there are some people who will just use the system to their own personal advantage.
And as I have said our successive Governments have lacked the courage to correct these imbalances and remove the impositions applied to the \"Working stiffs\" so that we should be able to realise some benefits to our labours. Yet our politicians play \"hurl the accusations\" at each other over these issues and do absolutley nothing, except prove that time and time again they are just as guilty of having their snouts in the countries coffers by claiming excessive \"Allowances\" in order to \"do their job\".
It\'s way past the time that politicians should be made to remember that they are elected as our servants, not the other way around.
[size=-2]OK sounds like I\'m preaching Anarchy, brothers and sisters.[/size]
