junior elf
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Do you believe in it, I do and I was wondering what others think of it????
Evolution?
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Ummm.....
Breakfast anyone?
Breakfast anyone?
generulpoleaxe
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evoloution is a better theory than somebody making everything in seven days, okay six and rested one day (must have been a council worker lol )
wiccanpony
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:drunk: we are evolutioning even as we type
Avelorn
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It is the best theory around. It will get revised but hardly replaced in the science anyway.
The creationists however are in many cases very intellectually dishonest which makes me frustrated and angry and probably at least a part why this is such a can of worms for a lot of people. Not that I think it is a silly way of reasoning to believe in a creator, not by far. I am myself a Christian and I believe in God and in a creation but I haven\'t had much problems combining evolution with that belief. But in general when I hear famous \"creationists\" linked to on the web they mix sound philosophical arguments with outright silliness. And as I recon they are probably clever people they are trying to trick people into believing in God and creationism and that irritates me much.
The creationists however are in many cases very intellectually dishonest which makes me frustrated and angry and probably at least a part why this is such a can of worms for a lot of people. Not that I think it is a silly way of reasoning to believe in a creator, not by far. I am myself a Christian and I believe in God and in a creation but I haven\'t had much problems combining evolution with that belief. But in general when I hear famous \"creationists\" linked to on the web they mix sound philosophical arguments with outright silliness. And as I recon they are probably clever people they are trying to trick people into believing in God and creationism and that irritates me much.
Shawn R. L.
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I seriously don\'t mean this in a mocking tone. To me, it takes FAR more faith to believe that there was no thought behind this that to believe that there is.
alextheartist
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I am also a christian and agree with what averlon has to say, often people have been misguided by what others have said because they have taken to beliveing things from the bible in a far to literal way. An example of this is the 7 days of creation. I personally think that this bit was written as a relevant example of gods power for those times. In a modern context i think it could be used as 7 periods of time, rather than 7 actual days. Also if we look at the phases the Earth is created in, in the Bible they match with the phases that evolution is surposed to happen in. First Earth being formed, then sea creatures, then birds and reptiles, then later on mammals and finally humans. So basically they are simelarish ideas, with a few minor differnt details (one with a creator, one without).
Thats my 2 pence anyways...
junior elf
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I don\'t think that people who believe in Adam and Eve are crazy but that they didn\'t make up their own mind and that their parents taught it to them not letting them think for themselves.
PS: What\'s up with the worms?
Look at those beautiful blues!!!
PS: What\'s up with the worms?
Look at those beautiful blues!!!
alextheartist
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Its a can of worms, meaning that when you open it you can never get all the worms back in cos\' they wander all over the place. So when you start a conversation like this, it is very hard to end it.
Alex
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I have no problems with being a Christian who believes in evolution. I figure that God used SOME sort of process to do his business. I get annoyed, though, when people tell me that evolution eliminates the existence of God, or if creationists tell me that intelligent design eliminates the need for science.
@ Shawn - love that pic, dude. Spectacular.
@ Shawn - love that pic, dude. Spectacular.
Without digging too far into that can, I\'m with Shawn on this one. I just don\'t have enough faith for Darwinian evolution as a theory of origins.
Evolution happens, it\'s been proven to a degree. That said, evolution isn\'t the whole story and to believe that it is seems more like religion than science to me.
Evolution happens, it\'s been proven to a degree. That said, evolution isn\'t the whole story and to believe that it is seems more like religion than science to me.
alextheartist
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I agree, i was at a huge christian festival in the UK a few weeks back and there are loads of teens becoming christians without any influence from their parents.
You also have to remember that Darwin himself declared his theory a load of bull after he developed it.
Alex
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Well that\'s really what it comes down to, isn\'t it? Faith. You have faith that a Creator specifically designed the butterfly to be \"beautiful\"... But that doesn\'t really address any of the scientific questions of how (physically) the butterfly got to be the way it is. I\'m not interested in trying to debunk anybody\'s religion or spirituality. I don\'t deal in matters of faith, I deal in matters of explorable reality - that which can be observed, tested and tested again. God/G_d/god/Allah/etc. is not one of those things and therefore requires, and allows, faith.Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
I seriously don\'t mean this in a mocking tone. To me, it takes FAR more faith to believe that there was no thought behind this that to believe that there is.
What bothers me is when people claim science itself is a matter of faith, when science never demands that you believe something without evidence. I trust a lot of scientific findings I haven\'t personally scrutinized, but that\'s different from faith.
Darwin expressed many doubts and uncertainties about his theory, in part because he didn\'t know about genes and didn\'t know how inheritance actually took place. But he never \"recanted\" his theory, and doing so would have been meaningless in the face of the evidence for it he had already presented. And if you don\'t believe me... even the Creationist website \"Answers in Genesis\" admits it\'s true.
Darwin was a complicated and intelligent man. He schooled to become an Anglican pastor, but his interest lay in nature. He was quite religious when he embarked upon his scientific explorations, and science certainly never changed that - like many educated people of his day he viewed scrutinizing and cataloging \"God\'s Creation\" as very pious activities. His surviving correspondence indicates it was his young daughter\'s death (aged 8 if I recall correctly) that began to erode his faith. Like many before and since, the question \"why do bad things happen to good people\" was what then plagued him.
The problem I have with the theory of evolution is that, while it has some scientific heritage, it has indeed become a religious pursuit.
Much of evolution is taken on faith, particularly as it deals with origins and the beginnings of life. There is no empirical evidence to support Darwin\'s theory of \'primodial soup.\' But it is taught with a fervor that elevates it even above other scientific theory to the level of fact.
And \'trusting the findings\' of science without first personally observing empirical evidence only differs from matters of true faith in that you neglected to personally weigh the evidence. Faith is not blind belief. Faith is weighing evidence and making a logical and educated decision to trust in your conclusions while freely admitting that not all the answers are available to be had.
The ONLY way to believe the fullness of Darwinian evolution is indeed, on faith since many questions (particularly surrounding those aspects of the theory that deal with the origins of life) remain unanswered.
So in summary, what you have said is true -- what it really all comes down to, is faith.
junior elf
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Well actually evolution is proven not to a degree but completely. There is so much evidence which can not be denied. If you like science you would know that DNA has a four letter code. Each living thing has its own different code and if you take the DNA of an ape from 250 000 years ago, one from 200 000 years ago, one from 150 000 years ago ... and one from nowadays you can clearly see the evolution of that mammal. Another example is that if you look at reptiles you can see that its jaw has 7 bones whilst on a mammal it only has one. This is because the six others have moved into the lower part of the ear. Now lets see what evidence believers of Adam and Eve have (Sorry if this seems a bit rude but I don\'t know how else to put it, I\'m more of a scientist than a writer).
