First time painter & collector. Needs Help!

[cirdan taralom]

Hello,
I brought myself a week ago now a box set of Ork warriors from Gamesworkshop (SluggaBoyz) & I am wanting to go with a BadMoons color scheme, My only issue is I do not know how to paint & have come seeking advice!

Question One, To paint Yellow over a Black Undercoat, how do I do it? I have thinned the paint down as I was told to do at GW Melbourne and to layer is on in nice even layers, But I still see the black underneath the Yellow paint. So, how do I paint Yellow on a Black Undercoat??

Question Two, I have seen many many pictures on coolminiornot showing mud, wear and tear etc... How does one paint the armour to look damaged? or should I take a hobby knife to the minature and paint up the battle scars??

Question Three, Highlights & Shading! How to do it?

Please help.
Thank you for your time.

 

[freakinacage]

welcome to the forums!

question one: don\'t! any light colours take AGES to build up if done over a light undercoat. try a white or grey primer instead. i prefer grey as dark colours take to it fairly well

questions two and three, look at the article section

 

[green stuff]

Message original : freakinacage
welcome to the forums!

As Tim said .

Message original : freakinacage
question one: don\'t! any light colours take AGES to build up if done over a light undercoat.

Foundation Iyanden Yellow will work though as a base coat over black. That\'s what I used for my Eldar Avatar. You can then use whatever yellow you fancy to lighten it more. And then go on to Bleached Bone or white if you really want to make it pop.

 

[cirdan taralom]

Thank you for your replies.
My new question to \"GreenStuff\" the Yellow paint you mentioned, Is it a Gw paint? if not, which brand makes it?

Also, The bleachedbone to white, Was that for the Highlights?

Thank you again for your help.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by cirdan taralom
Thank you for your replies.
My new question to \"GreenStuff\" the Yellow paint you mentioned, Is it a Gw paint? if not, which brand makes it?
Yes it\'s a GW (Citadel) paint)
Also, The bleachedbone to white, Was that for the Highlights?
Yes.
Also by GW are a series of Washes which can be used to assist with the shadows (shading). For the Yellows I\'d recommend Gryphonne Sepia as its not as strong a colour and you can always add more rather than try to remove any.

Thank you again for your help.

Oh Yes Welcome aboard.

 

[cirdan taralom]

Thank you.

I shall buy the suggested paints + washes next time I am around a Gw shop. My new delima, How does one Highlight Black?

The idea of my army.
1. Be un-orky (As in clean, Imperial Clean)
2. Emmulate the Imperials
3. Yellow Clothing
4. Black Armour
5. Darker Yellow Leather or Black Leather?
6. Metal in Metal

I do want to have the army look weathered and beaten up as much as possible, while not loosing the \"Shiny\" part. Make sense??

One conversion I am thinking of doing is adding a shield to some of the squads (the sheild being the side of an imperial tank with the Emperors Eagle Displayed, with a Notch cut out for the weapon and a little glass Visor (Sort of roman + Imperial = Weird Orks).

Sound good or just strange? (Will post pictures + a link to the pictures here as I finish the squad)

Thank you for your time.

 

[alextheartist]

So a realistic imperial style ork army?

Black is very difficult to paint as often it ends up looking grey. My adivce is to add a little bit of blue and white into the black for the highlight, but remember less is more. Just lighlight the edges as otherwide you end up with a grey coloured armour. Do this again with a little more white, then when that has dried give it a wash of badab black (from gw washes range)

Here are some recipes you could use:

Yellow:
Base coat:
Tau Ochersept
Highlight:
Tau Ochersept / golden yellow 1/1
golden yellow highlight
golden yellow/ bleached bone 1/1
Shade: Gryphonne sepia wash

Black:

Basecoat:
Chaos Black
Highlight:
Chaos black / regal blue / space wolves grey 3/1/1 ratio
Shade:
Badab black wash

Light Leather:
Basecoat:
Bestial brown
Higlight:
Bestial brown/ vermin brown 1/1
vermin brown
vermin brown/white 1/1
Shade :
Devlan Mud wash

Dark Leather:
Basecoat:
Scoreched brown/chaos black 1/1
Highlight:
scorched brown
bestial brown
bestial brown/ vermin brown 1/1
shade:
delvan mud wash

Metal (silvery)
mattsterbenz metals artical:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/article/aid/744

hope that helps a little

Alex

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by cirdan taralom
How does one Highlight Black?
Take your pick:
Add bleached bone for soft grey \"worn effect\" highlighting.
Add Blue for more cooler highlights.

If you are looking to add paints to your range I\'d suggest adding Baadab Black (a wash) to the list. It is very good at darkening metals and downtoning main colours.


The idea of my army.
1. Be un-orky (As in clean, Imperial Clean)
2. Emmulate the Imperials
3. Yellow Clothing
4. Black Armour
5. Darker Yellow Leather or Black Leather?
6. Metal in Metal

I do want to have the army look weathered and beaten up as much as possible, while not loosing the \"Shiny\" part. Make sense??

One conversion I am thinking of doing is adding a shield to some of the squads (the sheild being the side of an imperial tank with the Emperors Eagle Displayed, with a Notch cut out for the weapon and a little glass Visor (Sort of roman + Imperial = Weird Orks).

Sound good or just strange? (Will post pictures + a link to the pictures here as I finish the squad)

Thank you for your time.

 

[alextheartist]

Lol, i need to change my background colour, i can never read what you write in blue mike lol

 

[green stuff]

Message original : cirdan taralom
1. Be un-orky (As in clean, Imperial Clean)

Why not go for Blood Axes then? Appart from the yellow it\'s almost the look and feel you discribed.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by alextheartist
Lol, i need to change my background colour, i can never read what you write in blue mike lol

Sorry But I find that blue and the \"White\" background are the easiest for me to see.
Seems strange as the astigmatism I have really is pronounced in the blue end of the spectrum.

 

[Sauce Devil]

Originally posted by cirdan taralom Hello, I brought myself a week ago now a box set of Ork warriors from Gamesworkshop (SluggaBoyz) & I am wanting to go with a BadMoons color scheme, My only issue is I do not know how to paint & have come seeking advice! Question One, To paint Yellow over a Black Undercoat, how do I do it? I have thinned the paint down as I was told to do at GW Melbourne and to layer is on in nice even layers, But I still see the black underneath the Yellow paint. So, how do I paint Yellow on a Black Undercoat?? Question Two, I have seen many many pictures on coolminiornot showing mud, wear and tear etc... How does one paint the armour to look damaged? or should I take a hobby knife to the minature and paint up the battle scars?? Question Three, Highlights & Shading! How to do it? Please help. Thank you for your time.

Lots of good advice already but I\'ll throw in my two cents..

I\'ve never understood why anyone uses black primer, it\'s so hard to paint over!
Even if I were painting black Space Marines I would probably use white primer and then paint them black.

To paint yellow over black you need an intermediate color - brown is the usual.
The lighter/paler the shade of brown (or \"hue\" if anyone wants to be technical) the more clearly the yellow will show up on top of it (sometimes you might deliberately want to make your yellows dull or earthy).
Yellow is a tricky color to work with btw.


Don\'t neglect to dilute your paints; the amount of dilution you need to use depends on the color (they all behave in slightly different ways) but all normal acrylic paints have to be diluted and applied in layers (but that said, I hear that a few really expert painters have got some strange techniques where they use the paint undiluted..go figure) to get the best results.


There are lots of different techniques for imitating damage effects - rust, scratches, scorch marks - too many to list; read through the CMON tutorials.

Highlighting: Use a lighter/brighter color on the raised surfaces (especially edges). If you are painting highlights over red you would normally use orange and then yellow.

Shading: Use a more dilute solution to help the paint flow into the recesses; PUSH the brush toward the deepest areas.

The shading color might be a dark shade of the base color or a different color altogether; I normally shade red with a mix of red and blue to make a purple-ish blue color; red is a \"hot\" color so blue gives a cooling contrast.

Good luck :beer:
You\'ll probably screw it up a couple of times but that\'s par for the course. :drunk:

PS.
Get a decent sable or kolinsky natural hair brush (the pointiness of the tip is more important than the actual size so choose around a size 2 or 3) and treat it just like you would treat your own hair to keep it in good condition.

 

[Einion]

Originally posted by Sauce Devil
Good luck :beer:
You\'ll probably screw it up a couple of times but that\'s par for the course. :drunk:

This is well worth mentioning to new painters - important to realise that having something go badly isn\'t uncommon when you\'re starting out (and sometimes later too!) and it\'s all part of the learning process.

Frankly, sometimes you learn as much from things that go wrong as things that go right

Einion