Freebooter parts used in GD France demon-winner?

[CrookedEye]

Going through the official coverage, it looks to me like the bronze winner in fantasy single (flying winged demoness over autarch) used pieces from this Freebooter kit.

It\'s the piece around the head. Must be looser standards on that side of the pond, we\'d be DQ\'d in a second flat for that!

Zach

 

[MathewBaich]

really? I thought the rules stated that the entry had to be at least %75 GW.... ???

 

[alextheartist]

The other 25% has to be a resource like gs, millitput, platicard..

Not 100% sure though..

 

[Ritual]

It could also be that the judges simply didn\'t spot it? But it sure looks like that part. And it wouldn\'t be the first case where third-party bits have been used on demon winning entries.

 

[Matt Cexwish]

Uppps......

Maybe the Part is Resculpted...?...

When I was handing \"The Master Of The Puppets\" in, I was asked whether the children are Hasslefree figures... Luckily I expected this, so I could explain to them that they are 100% Sculpted...... As a Prove WIP Pics are great...

 

[skeeve]

Originally posted by Matt Cexwish
Uppps......

Maybe the Part is Resculpted...?...

On this side of the pond this argument would not fly either. You can sculpt things, of cause, but you cannot duplicate existing pieces from other companies.

Last year at Baltimore, one of my model was on one of Shawn\'s bases, obviously not sculpted by me, but on the other hand not a part of the miniature either just a scenic plynth if you will. After short consultation judjes asked me to remove it.

PS. Matt, this diorama is a cutest concept piece I have seen in a long time.

 

[julien.casses]

Yes it\'s the same piece

But after in what it\'s important ?

The mini is a celestine sister, with an eldar on the foot, 100% GW fluff, so what ????

If you only know the number of non GW part there is on GD winning stuff all other the world, or on slayer sword winning entries you\'ld laught !

 

[Matt Cexwish]

Yeah, I am not really sure where one of those wheels from my Dio came from......

@ skeeve

Thank´s a lot, I appreciate...... I paint to make people think something about my work... it worked...!...... I´m really happy...

There will be great pictures next week as soon as I get Light Bulbs......

 

[hamhamlunchbox]

i know,rules are rules,but its just wrong to grass on that guy.

if its really not compliant to rules,who cares?he did a good job and if the judges didnt see it,not his problem.

i dont think he was breaking(if it really does) the rules on purpous,so stop blaming smbdy for smthg your not sure about.

 

[Aliengod3]

I thought the entries could use only GW pieces or scratch built pieces? Although I do not see why they bother with rules since people always break them with little care from GW judges.

 

[Ritual]

Who cares if some non-GW part slips through the net? I don\'t think people at GW lose any sleep over it. The rules are there to ensure that moslty GW or scratch-built parts are used, and if someone uses other stuff in a blatant way they have the means to disqualify it. The judges can\'t possibly recognise every single part from every single miniature ever released by another company, so it\'s naturally a grey area.

I think the mini in question is great and I think the Freebooter part really suits it. I\'m glad he used the part and I\'m glad he got away with it and got rewarded for his effort.

 

[rosac]

ummm... which piece would that be?

I can\'t tell

rosac

 

[CrookedEye]

Nobody has bagged on the guy or his entry, nobody has said he didn\'t deserve it.

It started as just an observation that standards and rules vary by GD. In the US for sure if they know it\'s a part from another manufacturer you\'re out. I\'ve seen it happen. As Skeeve mentioned he wasn\'t allowed to use a base that came from another manufacturer.

They\'re pretty good and finding those parts too.

Zach

 

[akaranseth]

Originally posted by CrookedEye
It started as just an observation that standards and rules vary by GD. In the US for sure if they know it\'s a part from another manufacturer you\'re out.

The rules are the same in France on these issues... no difference... But with the numbers of references out there nowadays good luck to be able to identify every single pieces. God knows that when looking through my bitz box I do not recall where most of them came from.

 

[brushmistress]

It\'s funny that this is coming to light - Yuri & I were discussing it @ Baltimore this year- \"Hey - what about the guy that used the Freebooter Vampire Headdress who got away with it?\" kinda thing. I think the bit looks gorgeous on the model, and the whole entry is spectacular.
I completely understand the judges not catching everything- there are hundreds of manufacturers out there. The entrant probably knew better and gambled they wouldn\'t spot it. I only noticed it because I painted the Freebooter mini and bought that one based on the neck/headdress.

 

[crystella333]

I don\'t think it was fair of him. If it was a different competition, ie not focused on the showmanship of GW & their mini\'s, then fine. There is alot of competitions in europe where you could have entered this mini.:cussing:
It is beautifully painted and very well done conversion, but by not making a different head dress then you\'re just sticking 2 fingers to everyone else that stuck to the rules of the competition
Its just bad form matey and I\'m sure there will be afew people like me that aren\'t impressed by it.

 

[Aliengod3]

Originally posted by akaranseth

Originally posted by CrookedEye
It started as just an observation that standards and rules vary by GD. In the US for sure if they know it\'s a part from another manufacturer you\'re out.

The rules are the same in France on these issues... no difference... But with the numbers of references out there nowadays good luck to be able to identify every single pieces. God knows that when looking through my bitz box I do not recall where most of them came from.

The funny thing about the US competitions is that GW denies the existence of all other miniatures companies (I know because I worked there and that is their mentality). Because of this they would have no clue that other parts of other miniatures were being entered. Bystanders would have to tell them and I doubt even after that they would act. No one bothered to inform the judges at Baltimore (I think) that Ana\'s minis were winning an award for someone else until the person picked up his trophy.

Plus alot of articles from people that talk about making dual projects for GD competitions where one person will make the conversion or sculpt and someone else will paint it. Or they will both paint certain parts of the same mini. Seems like rules do not mean a whole lot, only trophies.

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Well, as you can tell. A lot of people know the rules. So it¡¯s not picking on the guy. If he got a Demon by breaking the rules, it just seems to lose something.

Would it be ok if I got away with entering someone else¡¯s work in a Gold Demon competition?

Originally posted by hamhamlunchbox
i know,rules are rules,but its just wrong to grass on that guy.

if its really not compliant to rules,who cares?he did a good job and if the judges didnt see it,not his problem.

i dont think he was breaking(if it really does) the rules on purpous,so stop blaming smbdy for smthg your not sure about.

 

[Jarrett]

I imagine they simply didn\'t notice it.

 

[Cleezy]

Tbh i could care less if he did it on purpose or not, like a lot have said it maybe just came from a bits box and the guy prob didnt have a clue.

Also isn\'t GD is supposed to be a painting competition and he won cos his was painted best. Really it shouldnt matter if a small part is from another mini or not.

I also dont think this guy thought to himself \"I\'m going to use this piece and win a trophy from it so fuck all of you who abide by the rules\" :drunk: