Frustrating...

Elly3438

Member
I can\'t seem to get the hang of sculpting, it is SO frustrating!! I tried using GS, and milliput... the same thing happens with both putties. I try to attach the putty to the mini to make some fixes in the model, and a couple things happen... one, the putty usually only sticks to the tool, so I have a hard time attaching it to the model... if I try to water down the tool, it just ends up making the putty slide around on the mini, so it\'s even worse! Then, if I manage to get it onto the model if I\'m lucky, I try to use water only the tool to keep it from sticking, and it usually ends up making the putty slide around anyways and come off....
ugh, I want to use putty and sculpt, but sometimes I wonder if I have the skills to do it... I get so frustrated!!! :cry:
 

rextalon

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You\'re using the wrong medium to keep your tool from sticking. While water will keep it from sticking to the tool, the water itself doesn\'t stick to the tool well enough to be useful.

You have options left to try before giving up. Try keeping a small amount of vasaline nearby. Vasaline sticks to your tool, while water will just run off and get between the tool and the model.

I\'m sure about a dozen other sculpters besides me will chime in with their answers, so I\'ll cut it here with a hearty, \"Dont give up!\"
 

kinko6

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I have had pretty good luck with water, just have to reapply constantly and sparingly. Vaseline works great but the clean up can be a horror. My saving grace, however, has been color shapers. They are also known as clay shapers. They\'re basically rubber tipped tools that require no lubrication. Absolutely no sticking! They cost about the same as a good paintbrush and essentially last forever. They come in 3 varieties: white, grey and black. White is softest and black is stiffest, with grey in the middle. I personally have found the white in the sizes you would use for minis (size 0 just like most brushes is most appropriate) nearly useless. The grey and black in size 0 on the other hand are phenomenal. If you\'re state side, Dick Blick has a good selection. Otherwise, any good artstore should stock them. And yes...don\'t give up, sculpting rocks!
 

rextalon

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Originally posted by kinko6you\'re state side, Dick Blick has a good selection. Otherwise, any good artstore should stock them.
I live in Washington state. I haven\'t been able to find these things ANYWHERE! When I do run across them they\'re only stocked in sizes larger than my head.
You might want to look online. I\'m holding out for an online store that has EVERYTHING I\'m looking for at a reasonable cost.
 

Dragonsreach

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Staff member
Originally posted by kinko6
Vaseline works great but the clean up can be a horror.
Ok my sculpting sucks, blows, hiccups and farts all at the same time it\'s that poor. But Vaseline does work fine and you don\'t need a huge amount.
I usually take about a fingertips worth and place a small amount of that on my mixing / rolling surface for the green stuff. The rest I rub into my hands to stop the GS sticking to me.
As for clean up allow the GS to cure and then wipe down with Acetone to remove the excess Vaseline.
 

vincenti

Member
Nearly all my sculpting is done with customized cocktail sticks coated with superfine Superglue.( You cant get cheaper than that ! )
For me Talcum powder works best for NON-STICK abilities. I use Magic Sculpt now ( used Milliput for 20 years though ) and its even stickier than Milliput when you firts mix it. Keep persevering.....nothing beats a unique mini !!! :flip::flip::flip::flip:)
 

farseer oliver

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For a start its always like that.... very frustrating and same with me when I started to use green stuff....

While u mixing your putty, don\'t need to wet your finger. Just wash your hand and make sure its clean. When you apply the putty to the model, just use abit and use your finger to press it on. For the tools, you wet it a little bit. NO WATER DRIPPING DOWN FROM IT.... Just wet. If you have a sponge, its even better. Use it to control the water as you run your tools on it. Try it out.... and PATIENCE... :D
 

Elly3438

Member
Thanks for the ideas, I will ~definitely~ try some of these out...

vincenti - you sculpt those amazing sculpts with a toothpick?? who would have thought, nice ;) talcum powder? I think I actually may have some of that somewhere....

oliver - a sponge sounds like a suberb idea, I need to go get one for myself... I always seem to have too much water on the tool, or not enough

mmmm shapers, I\'ve seen some videos, they look fun... or maybe I should just coats some toothpicks with superglue teehee

Thanks everyone, any other suggestions, besides ~practice~ of course? hehe :drunk:
 

The Artisan

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To keep my sculpting tools from sticking I use KY jelly or a similar type lubricant. Since it\'s water based it couldn\'t be easier to cleanup.

The only problem with using this type of lube is explaining to your Mom/wife/girlfriend why you have a tube of the stuff sitting on your desk. Awkward to say the least.
 

Einion

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With regard to lubrication I generally use saliva instead of water but the same general rule as kinko6 said applies - reapply constantly and sparingly. I used to dampen my tools in my mouth but that\'s a bad habit so I now use the back of my left thumb as a kind of palette. You can also use a light dusting of talc, which works really well in some cases.

I\'m against using Vaseline and oils to lubricate tools on the surface of putty, as despite their working advantages I don\'t want to risk ever having a greasy spot left behind. But if you want to give it a shot they\'re excellent at preventing sticking of tools to even freshly-mixed putty; just be sure to thoroughly degrease afterwards.

You can also try moisturiser, I\'ve heard of some people having great success with that. KY\'s also been mentioned and that\'s certainly worth trying too.

As far as the working method goes, press the blob home well first (fingernails tend to be good for this) then using a damp tool you should be able to move the putty around without it sticking unmanageably to it. Some sticking with GS is inevitable, but with practice you can work with teeny tiny applications (like a single eyebrow on a 32mm mini) and it will stay where it\'s put while you manipulate it.

Originally posted by Elly3438
I tried using GS, and milliput... the same thing happens with both putties.
Well part of your problem here is that these are both very sticky putties. Few things you can do here, other than the tips above.

For both putties you can also mix them and then let them sit for a while (10-15 minutes) before you use them; the curing process will have progressed a little, making the putty less sticky. Also with GS in particular it will tend to cool, and warm GS is sticker than cold GS.

GS is tolerant of varied proportions of blue and yellow, for general sculpting I would recommend about 3:2 yellow to blue. This makes it less sticky and also slightly softer.

With Milliput you can try adding in a dusting of talc to the mixed putty itself. This works quite well with some other clay-like putties and should work similarly with Milliput.

Last but not least, instead of Milliput you could try MagicSculp which is better in a lot of ways :)

Originally posted by Elly3438
... if I try to water down the tool, it just ends up making the putty slide around on the mini, so it\'s even worse!
You working on plastic, metal or both? Slightly roughening the surface will help give the putty something to grab onto, if the area you\'re working on will allow this.

Something that doesn\'t tend to get said is that every time you put some putty on the surface of a figure things don\'t go perfectly, even for experienced sculptors. It\'s perfectly normal if every now and then it goes wrong and has to be removed and more putty put on, it comes off by itself because it stuck to a tool, it goes too thin and you have to apply more putty etc. With experience this kind of thing tends to happen less, just a matter of practice and experience.

Originally posted by Elly3438
vincenti - you sculpt those amazing sculpts with a toothpick?? who would have thought, nice ;) talcum powder? I think I actually may have some of that somewhere....
Do you know the work of Bill Horan or Mike Good? Mostly done with superglue-coated cocktail sticks too.

Einion
 

freakinacage

Well-known member
Originally posted by The Artisan
To keep my sculpting tools from sticking I use KY jelly or a similar type lubricant. Since it\'s water based it couldn\'t be easier to cleanup.

The only problem with using this type of lube is explaining to your Mom/wife/girlfriend why you have a tube of the stuff sitting on your desk. Awkward to say the least.

lol i had that problem. trouble is that it was made worse by the bumper pack of vaseline i have by my bedside (i use it on my neck and wrists to stop getting wetsuit rash!)
 

Elly3438

Member
Einion thanks for the advice, I will definitely have to print this topic for future reference ;)
Now using vaseline, how would you degrease it? I don\'t plan on using it any time soon but I am curious. Also, I haven\'t heard those names before, where can I see some pics of their stuff? thanks!

KY, now that\'s funny... it\'s for the minis!! seriously!!
 

TyphusoftheDH

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I\'m not a sculptor myself, but I can tell you that Cheap Joe\'s has really nice art stuff, and for cheap too, you may be able to find some there.

Link!
 

kinko6

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Size 0 are perfect for mini sculting. I would say that the cone/taper tip and chisel/wedge are the two most useful. The other shapes can be helpful, but if you wanted to avoid getting a set, those two are best. Once again, stay away from the white (soft) and stick with the grey and black as they are best for manipulation. You may also consider something like a size 2 chisel for smoothing larger flat areas. Anything bigger isn\'t of much use.
 

Einion

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Originally posted by Elly3438
Einion thanks for the advice, I will definitely have to print this topic for future reference ;)
Welcome, hope it\'s of some help.

Originally posted by Elly3438
Now using vaseline, how would you degrease it? I don\'t plan on using it any time soon but I am curious.
You can simply wash with dishwashing liquid under a running tap, but using a big soft brush and rubbing alcohol or acetone will also degrease a surface quite well (careful of the acetone, might attack certain plastics just a bit).

Originally posted by Elly3438
Also, I haven\'t heard those names before, where can I see some pics of their stuff? thanks!
Online galleries of Bill Horan\'s work here and here (you can do a search too, there\'ll be pics of his figures from competition galleries here and there). And his books here and here (the Masterclass title is probably the best of the two, as in addition to being a how-to book - and he sculpts mostly in GS - the photo quality is better).

Mike Good has sculpted many classic figures for the historical field; there\'s a good selection of his pieces on this page and some here. And here is his latest post on planetFigure.

Re. Cheap Joe\'s v. Dick Blick by the way, Blick\'s will usually come out cheaper anyway and their service is great.

Einion
 

Elly3438

Member
Thanks for the links Einion, one question... on Dick Blick\'s site, they have \"colour shapers,\" now are those the same things people are using for sculpting? It\'s the only ones I\'ve found that are grey and size \"0.\" Just curious for future reference~~
Thanks!
 

No Such Agency

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I\'ve heard that some people use their own skin oil to keep the tool from sticking. SRSLY. Just rub it on your nose once in a while :)
 

Einion

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Originally posted by Elly3438
Thanks for the links Einion, one question... on Dick Blick\'s site, they have \"colour shapers,\" now are those the same things people are using for sculpting?
These? Mostly, yes I would think so for this kind of work (Clay Shapers probably have a much bigger following for doing large-scale stuff).

To echo what kinko6 posted above, I think that the cone, Taper Point, is likely to be the most versatile shape, with the wedge, Flat Chisel, being the next best. I have an Angle Chisel and while it has its uses I can see how those would be better.

I\'d also agree that white is probably too yielding, unless you\'re working in a very soft material (like Apoxie Sculpt is when first mixed) so grey, Firm, is probably the ideal to get; once putty has firmed up enough to require something stiffer that\'s where I feel wood and steel tools come into their own - you\'ll probably be wanting to make sharper marks at this point anyway, plus sticking tends not to be a problem at that stage in the curing process.

Einion
 
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