GD tag teams
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darthfoley
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No (at least not in the US).
http://gamesday.us.games-workshop.com/GamesDay2007/golden_demon/default.htm
http://gamesday.us.games-workshop.com/GamesDay2007/golden_demon/default.htm
alexholmen
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It is allowed in all the categories this year in Germany (one sculpting / one painting).
Best wishes
//ALEX
Best wishes
//ALEX
white rabbit
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Hey ... as far as i know its forbidden in germany in all the categories...
i talked with the man who is in charge of next years golden demon submissions in germany....
so i realy think there is no way for tag teams in the next years.:drool:
sad but ...
i talked with the man who is in charge of next years golden demon submissions in germany....
so i realy think there is no way for tag teams in the next years.:drool:
sad but ...
Stubert, you are quite correct, but Matt and Ben really shouldn\'t have done a joint entry. It is against the rules, it\'s just extremely unlikely that it will get spotted at the event until it\'s too late.
The thing is that there is no way of the people on the GD stand knowing if people have submitted a joint entry until after judging has been completed (due to the way GW run the event), so there ain\'t much can be done about it. If the people accepting entries were informed of the rules and carefully checked that each entry form only had one person down the problem could be avoided, but this hasn\'t happened so far to my knowledge. Of course people could still lie. 20 people could work on an entry, but only one name go on the entry form, and they\'d get away with it.
People shouldn\'t get others to enter their models into the competition, but again this happened at last year\'s GD, with several eventual winners not actually at the event.
Simply put though, no Rikard, to be in accordance with the rules, at least at UK GD, you should do it all yourself.
And it\'s a very decent sculpt too by the way. Have you sorted out the oversized weapon yet?
The thing is that there is no way of the people on the GD stand knowing if people have submitted a joint entry until after judging has been completed (due to the way GW run the event), so there ain\'t much can be done about it. If the people accepting entries were informed of the rules and carefully checked that each entry form only had one person down the problem could be avoided, but this hasn\'t happened so far to my knowledge. Of course people could still lie. 20 people could work on an entry, but only one name go on the entry form, and they\'d get away with it.
People shouldn\'t get others to enter their models into the competition, but again this happened at last year\'s GD, with several eventual winners not actually at the event.
Simply put though, no Rikard, to be in accordance with the rules, at least at UK GD, you should do it all yourself.
And it\'s a very decent sculpt too by the way. Have you sorted out the oversized weapon yet?
Dragon Forge Design
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Actually Lono there is no rule in the GD UK rules for my knowledge that says all entries must be done by one person. The US Demons are the only ones to my knowlewdge that have tackeled this issue and posted it as an official rule. So Matt and Ben didnt break any rules.
Now do I think entries should be done by more than one person, NO! But untill GW steps up and makes it an official printed rule its going to be a loophole that will be exploited and complained about every year.
Now do I think entries should be done by more than one person, NO! But untill GW steps up and makes it an official printed rule its going to be a loophole that will be exploited and complained about every year.
generulpoleaxe
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jeff, it was stated in the first paragraph of the uk rules.
people only seem to read the categories part and not the main rules.
that\'s probably the reason the us decided to make it so obvious that people couldn\'t claim to have missed it.
not having a dig at anyone.
people only seem to read the categories part and not the main rules.
that\'s probably the reason the us decided to make it so obvious that people couldn\'t claim to have missed it.
not having a dig at anyone.
Dragon Forge Design
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No really can you post a copy or a link or a scan because Ive looked all over the UK sites Golden Demon section and can find no such rule. I know its been posted on the American site but Ive seen it no where else. Was it in the new UK WD? Ive no access to that. Since they tend to be so slow at updateing the website a scan of the rules and categories would be great.
Its always been one of my big pete Peves with demons and Im glad to see it finally tackeled.
Don\'t worry no offence taken, I just hate it when people make up rules that arent there. I like to see them in print with my own eyes.
EDIT* OK I see this is probably what your talking about-
You can only enter once in each category, and all entries to Golden Demon, Young Bloods and the Open competition must be painted Citadel miniatures, Forge World or Imperial Armour models or scratch-built models that you have sculpted yourself.
I guess you can argue this as a rule but I still see it as open for arguments.
the American rules post it more clearly-
IMPORTANT: All work on models entered into the Golden Demon – including but not limited to painting, modeling, converting, after-market sculpting, and basing – must be performed entirely by the entrant. Neither models obtained from someone else in any state of completion nor collaborative efforts may be entered. Anyone found violating this rule will be immediately disqualified and forbidden from entering future Golden Demon painting competitions.
Anyhoo not trying to start or continue an argument I would just like to see it clearer thats all.
Its always been one of my big pete Peves with demons and Im glad to see it finally tackeled.
Don\'t worry no offence taken, I just hate it when people make up rules that arent there. I like to see them in print with my own eyes.
EDIT* OK I see this is probably what your talking about-
You can only enter once in each category, and all entries to Golden Demon, Young Bloods and the Open competition must be painted Citadel miniatures, Forge World or Imperial Armour models or scratch-built models that you have sculpted yourself.
I guess you can argue this as a rule but I still see it as open for arguments.
the American rules post it more clearly-
IMPORTANT: All work on models entered into the Golden Demon – including but not limited to painting, modeling, converting, after-market sculpting, and basing – must be performed entirely by the entrant. Neither models obtained from someone else in any state of completion nor collaborative efforts may be entered. Anyone found violating this rule will be immediately disqualified and forbidden from entering future Golden Demon painting competitions.
Anyhoo not trying to start or continue an argument I would just like to see it clearer thats all.
I am also absolutley certain that it does state that all entries must be your own work, or words to that extent- will have a dig around and try to find it down in black and white for you Jeff.
I dislike joint entries too, and also feel that entries should be one persons work.
I mean, how hard is it for the people giving out the submission cards (when you go in) to look at them and if there are 2 names on them simply not issue a slip?
Also if a joint entry does get through and deemed demon worthy why can\'t the judges DQ it when it does become apparant that its a tag team effort and award another entry the demon?
(I am actually really curious about this and if anyone *lono* could answer this *lono* then I would be grateful!)
I dislike joint entries too, and also feel that entries should be one persons work.
I mean, how hard is it for the people giving out the submission cards (when you go in) to look at them and if there are 2 names on them simply not issue a slip?
Also if a joint entry does get through and deemed demon worthy why can\'t the judges DQ it when it does become apparant that its a tag team effort and award another entry the demon?
(I am actually really curious about this and if anyone *lono* could answer this *lono* then I would be grateful!)
I\'ve never been directly involved in this part of the process, so I\'m speaking from the point of view of a somewhat distracted observer here.
If I remember correctly, once the judges have decided cattegory winners the entry numbers are written onto a sheet. This continues until the judges have decided on winners from all cattegories. This often takes longer than it is supposed to. At that point the sheet is taken away from the GD area (to the booth where they set up the slideshow of winners that is shown on the big screen) and the judges are done, and have headed off to do whatever else they do during the day.
The people who make the slideshow cross-reference the entry numbers of the winners on a sheet they have, to find out the actual names. I think this is the first point that names are put with entries, and if a discrepancy is found it would be too late to re-judge.
Ultimately, there is loads of room for someone to abuse the rules. It\'s mostly just done in a manner where trust is put on the competitors I guess. There\'s nothing stopping a beardy old Slayer Sword winner from painting a mini and giving it to a 12 year old to enter in Young Bloods. If they kept quiet who would know other than them?
well...
Rikard,
how\'s it going man
hehe
You can always practice painting (most of us here haven\'twon anything before) but that doesn\'t stop us from trying
It takes time...but mainly you have to have a desire to keep going, even if you don\'t do well the first time.
And your work isn\'t bad. Hang around here more and you can pick up what you need
Jeff - I agree...pairs should not be allowed unless it\'s a separate category..
Sanjay
Rikard,
how\'s it going man
heheYou can always practice painting (most of us here haven\'twon anything before) but that doesn\'t stop us from trying
It takes time...but mainly you have to have a desire to keep going, even if you don\'t do well the first time.
And your work isn\'t bad. Hang around here more and you can pick up what you need
Jeff - I agree...pairs should not be allowed unless it\'s a separate category..
Sanjay
