Dragon Forge Design
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When more than one person works on a entry and they enter it together. In most GD this is not allowed but Matt is correct in saying no where in the rules does it say this is not allowed for GD UK
GD UK: what a scandal
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When more than one person works on a entry and they enter it together. In most GD this is not allowed but Matt is correct in saying no where in the rules does it say this is not allowed for GD UK
demonherald
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multiple people working on a single entry...
admittedly GW set themselves up for this one publishing the matt parkes and mate winner the other year....
Drevilmonki......Agreed but just wanted to pretend I was neutral.... how about a poll on who would win in a fight???
admittedly GW set themselves up for this one publishing the matt parkes and mate winner the other year....
Drevilmonki......Agreed but just wanted to pretend I was neutral.... how about a poll on who would win in a fight???
Duende
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From reading the stuff about the topic at hand (and ignoring the pointless material), I might be wrong but weren\'t these entries in question (since they were entered by people affliated with GW) not cheaters, but made into exceptions to the rule by the GW authority?
Which I don\'t like the idea of either, it smacks of favoritism, and an excuse to suck up to GW staff, or at least the distriubtion staff since they were mentioned in both cases.
Who\'s to say if it\'s actually cheating if GW allowed it? The other cases, like what happened in Atlanta, were blatent fraud, where the mini was purchased on eBay then entered as their own. This case sounds like GW knew from the get-go that these entries were being entered by a proxy and allowed it.
It\'s that\'s the case (which I could be entirely wrong) shame on GW for bending thier own rules.
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Which I don\'t like the idea of either, it smacks of favoritism, and an excuse to suck up to GW staff, or at least the distriubtion staff since they were mentioned in both cases.
Who\'s to say if it\'s actually cheating if GW allowed it? The other cases, like what happened in Atlanta, were blatent fraud, where the mini was purchased on eBay then entered as their own. This case sounds like GW knew from the get-go that these entries were being entered by a proxy and allowed it.
It\'s that\'s the case (which I could be entirely wrong) shame on GW for bending thier own rules.
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DrEvilmonki
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As far as I am aware the rules clearly state that the entry must be handed in by the person who did it.
This seems to be a clear breech of that rule.
This seems to be a clear breech of that rule.
Godlikebuthumble
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Now this might be a bit old info, but it was possible to submit an entry at 2002 GD for someone else, as long as the submission slip was signed by the one who originally did it... so either it was allowed, or the guys didn\'t pay attention...
demonherald
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only about 4 years OLD....:beer:
If it was allowed now then it would be great for some As SJB said he would have entered....but the ruling needs to be consistent.
GD has changed a lot over the years ..my first one (86 I think donnington) was judged by the store staff and top 3 from each category taken down b the staff... Now that really was a favouritism thing
Is it still The aussie demons where people post their entries??
If it was allowed now then it would be great for some As SJB said he would have entered....but the ruling needs to be consistent.
GD has changed a lot over the years ..my first one (86 I think donnington) was judged by the store staff and top 3 from each category taken down b the staff... Now that really was a favouritism thing
Is it still The aussie demons where people post their entries??
DrEvilmonki
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From the GW Demon rules on their website
\"All entries must be personally handed in and registered at the National Exhibition Centre (NEC), Birmingham, on 24/09/06.\"
However at the bottom of the same page is this \"Please note, these guidelines are subject to change.\"
So that way they cover themselves to be able to do whatever the hell they want.
\"All entries must be personally handed in and registered at the National Exhibition Centre (NEC), Birmingham, on 24/09/06.\"
However at the bottom of the same page is this \"Please note, these guidelines are subject to change.\"
So that way they cover themselves to be able to do whatever the hell they want.
DrEvilmonki
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No. What we do in Aussie and New Zealand is have the first two rounds of elimination at the shops.
The first round is just at whatever your local store is. You have to hand in your entry personnaly there.
The minis that make that cut are then sent to a central state store for judging. The minis that make that cut are then sent to the main GD.
The main reason for that i think is to get New Zeland more involved.
demonherald
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couldn\'t they just do the Haka At the start of the comp....:drunk:
chrismisterx
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Well my 2p worth :-
I know alot of GW staff, and these guys where just as mad at how the whole day was run not just the GD, they also belive if you kiss enough arse anything can happen < small bending of the rules etc etc >
I dont really care, I just like painting toy soldiers
I know alot of GW staff, and these guys where just as mad at how the whole day was run not just the GD, they also belive if you kiss enough arse anything can happen < small bending of the rules etc etc >
I dont really care, I just like painting toy soldiers
philologus
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Let\'s get back to the hot Russian girls cat-fighting.
generulpoleaxe
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from gw uk website.
The following rules have been compiled to act as a series of guidelines to consider and work to when you begin designing and painting your Golden Demon entry.
You can only enter once in each category, and all entries to Golden Demon, Young Bloods and the Open competition must be painted Citadel miniatures, Forge World or Imperial Armour models or scratch-built models that you have sculpted yourself.
i love all the models that won and i wish the painters all the best.
i do think gw need to get the same rules used for all of it\'s painting competitions.
The following rules have been compiled to act as a series of guidelines to consider and work to when you begin designing and painting your Golden Demon entry.
You can only enter once in each category, and all entries to Golden Demon, Young Bloods and the Open competition must be painted Citadel miniatures, Forge World or Imperial Armour models or scratch-built models that you have sculpted yourself.
i love all the models that won and i wish the painters all the best.
i do think gw need to get the same rules used for all of it\'s painting competitions.
No Such Agency
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Lets not.Originally posted by philologus
Let\'s get back to the hot Russian girls cat-fighting.
philologus
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Spoilsport.Originally posted by No Such Agency
Lets not.Originally posted by philologus
Let\'s get back to the hot Russian girls cat-fighting.
vincegamer
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I think the GW guy must have just seen Pirates of the Carribean: Black Pearl.
\"they\'re not so much actual rules as they are guidelines\" *said with a piratey leer and slur.
\"they\'re not so much actual rules as they are guidelines\" *said with a piratey leer and slur.
MPJ
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I\'m reading a lot of people blaming \'GW\' as a company, but not once have I read about anyone actually reporting this to GW staff. It\'s entirely possible that GW staff don\'t even know this has occured. One distribution guy from Russia doesn\'t qualify as representative of GW GD organizers knowing.
So before we blame GW for allowing cheating shouldn\'t we know that they allowed it at all? Sounds to me like the wool is pulled over their eyes as well. One bad commie breaking the rules doesn\'t reflect the attitudes of the entire company.
And I must agree with EricJ in that weather or not Margo tried to cheat in \'04 is indeed totally irrelevant. In fact why is trying to turn in a model from someone else even \'trying to cheat\'? It could simply have been ignorance of the rules, checking to see if the rules had changed, or any number of other less dishonest things.
So before we blame GW for allowing cheating shouldn\'t we know that they allowed it at all? Sounds to me like the wool is pulled over their eyes as well. One bad commie breaking the rules doesn\'t reflect the attitudes of the entire company.
And I must agree with EricJ in that weather or not Margo tried to cheat in \'04 is indeed totally irrelevant. In fact why is trying to turn in a model from someone else even \'trying to cheat\'? It could simply have been ignorance of the rules, checking to see if the rules had changed, or any number of other less dishonest things.
Dragon Forge Design
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I dont even see it as a case of Margo trying to cheat in 04, she said she was asked to bring a miniature by a friend and enter it, she was informed that it was againt the rules and she didnt do it..end of story.
Two years on and she brought up the point that someone did it this year and placed and it should be against the rules.
Two years on and she brought up the point that someone did it this year and placed and it should be against the rules.
Thanks! that\'s basically my point
Natalia, if you really want to debate the issue of alleged cheating in 2004...start your own thread on it instead of derailing a valid point brought up about cheating in one of our premier painting events in 2006 (that happened less than a week ago, and is still potentially fixable). I don\'t promise anyone will take any interest in your thread however.
I also agree with the point that we don\'t know GW stand on it; whether they decided to bend the rules, in which case, being their event, and have every right to do so, there is no cheating (although I suppose we could debate about changing rules at the last moment without notice for a single exception), or if they perhaps didn\'t know about it, in which case hopefully it could get fixed...
So anyone know any of the UK GW people to check?
karrotpawz
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I think it all comes down to Natalya being a tad bitter because Margo\'s obviously the hotter of the two russian chicks.
