Goblins and Orcs?

[Itchy]

What\'s the difference between the two? Is there a difference? Are goblins just cartoony orcs? Do different companies just use different names for the same race of monster? i\'m a goblin fan... and a buddy who plays orcs told me they\'re the same thing... i told him he\'s crazy.

Anybody know????

 

[provoke_me]

oh dear!

a goblin is not an orc. and an orc is not a goblin! they are two diffrent things!
ok..not going to go into a whole rant on it...but...
goblins i find tend to be alot smarter and shorter. the always have little gizmos with them.
orcs are dumb and big. the get into fight rather easily.
ok..this probably isnt the GW definitions..just a little of my own.

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Actually. That\'s about it. I\'ve noticed that\'s the general idea.

I did like Leviathan\'s twist on Elves. The Elves were very dark, and very evil.

Originally posted by provoke_me
a goblin is not an orc. and an orc is not a goblin! they are two diffrent things!
ok..not going to go into a whole rant on it...but...
goblins i find tend to be alot smarter and shorter. the always have little gizmos with them.
orcs are dumb and big. the get into fight rather easily.
ok..this probably isnt the GW definitions..just a little of my own.

 

[provoke_me]

WOOT!

go me!:bouncy::flip:

 

[Chrispy]

Yes, goblins are sneakier, orcs are big dumb brutes.. In the Hobbit, I belive Bilbo accidentally calls the Goblin King a goblin, but he was an Orc... For a better Tolkien reference, in Fellowship of the ring, the things at Moria are goblins (which is why they keep a troll to do the grunt work). While the Uruk Hai are orcs (Uruk=Orc, simple, no? ) In WH, since orcs come from fungus they start out small: first the snotlings gether tiny scraps, then the goblins steal weapons, then the squigs pop up for food, and then the orcs come and eberything is already prepared!

 

[No Such Agency]

Orcs come from fungus? Could somebody briefly explain this fluff to me, the poor non-gaming painter?

 

[Nelson]

Well, son, it\'s time we had a talk....

Originally posted by No Such Agency
Orcs come from fungus? Could somebody briefly explain this fluff to me, the poor non-gaming painter?

See, when a daddy orc loves a mommy orc very much....

 

[Ebonbuddha]

Orcs are non-sexual. Some want to be women. These guys usually go to the mad Dok for an operation.

 

[praetorian0_1]

Well the fluff in 40k is that - the smallest green guys were the brains and subsisted on this fungus that made them smart. They grew these orc dudes to be their troops and general muscle. These dummies rose up one day and said- hey lets eat the fungus and we\'ll be smart- hense the bosses.
Ooops- the fungus didn\'t work on the orcs. But what happened was there was no more fungus for the little guys to stay smart so they are now the gibbering morons we see now that hang out in the background.
The orcs survived and thrived dispite their masterminds being gone.
That\'s about it I think according to GWlol
what is also dangerous about orcs is that they are fungus based so that they can grow in an area after a battle and spring up again.
Orcs are fed by battle as well so grow huger the more fights and agression they meets up with. Very cool.

 

[EricJ]

Since Tolkien basically invented orks, elves (as we know them), ents, etc...he\'s the place to look for this. Orks are a corruption of elves by Melkor (saurons boss). I believe the difference between orks and goblins is that goblins are basically smaller ferrel orks, where orks as we know them only exist as an organized army of Mordor (and later under Saruman). Uruk-Hai are black orks created by Saruman, by breading orks with hill men - ewwww. They were larger, and much less senstive to sunlight. Similarly Olog-Hai are black trolls, (imagine that breading!) which would not turn to stone in the daylight.

Now GW has a COMPLETELY different idea. Orks being fungus, which spread spores to reproduce, and it works basically as Chrispy layed out.

 

[DanseMacabre]

As far as i know in the GW fantasy background orcs, goblins and snotlings starts their life as the same thing, then with the passing of the time, some evolves in orcs (the more agressive perhaps) some evolves(lol) in goblins and some stay snotlings.
In the Tolkien universe they are corrupted elves as Ericj said.

 

[Trevor]

Yeah loads of slightly different types depending upon system/book, aren\'t D&D orcs pig like, whilst their goblins are more like the traditional Tolkein orc?

basically though orcs and goblins are different, with the goblins being smaller than the orcs.

 

[LordofthePit]

As far as i know in the GW fantasy background orcs, goblins and snotlings starts their life as the same thing, then with the passing of the time, some evolves in orcs (the more agressive perhaps) some evolves(lol) in goblins and some stay snotlings.

Are you sure about that? because the orc army book refers to goblins as the orcs\' smaller cousins. I believe they\'re a different race of greenskin, just as snotlings and squigs are a different race.

In 40K the orks are the remnants of a very advanced race which was dying out. To ensure the survival of their race they engineered the orks (and the other greenskin)each to fulfill a different role, that\'s why there are mekboys and painboys, to give the orks some level of technology, grots to fetchthings for them and squigs for food

 

[praetorian0_1]

Those snotlings used to be THE mastermind before the orcs at their fungus that made them smart (in some big revolution)- leaving them(the snotties) idotic. The orcs never got smart out of the deal, but thrived on their own. At least as GW put it .
I like the Tolkein version too.
In D&D- they kinda haltch I thinks= complete with mommy/daddy orcs and babies.
God I\'m a nerd... I can\'t believe I know this ship.lol

 

[Infidel Castro]

Orc madness

I married an Orc. Still can\'t shake her either. Damned legal systems.

 

[DanseMacabre]

@ LordOfThePit: i\'m quite sure, at least they says something like this on the italian orcs and goblins army list.

 

[Avicenna]

When is an Ork not an Ork

GW have it all confused at the moment... the hyper-intelligent snotling idea has kinda died with the last (3rd) edition of 40K, to be replaced with some pseudo-genetics thing attributed to early genetic modification, and suggestion that the early tyranids may have bio-engineered the orks by combining fungal and animal DNA.

They grow in embryo sacks under the earth, and hatch from beneath \'shrooms...

odd...

very odd

Oh, and in GW orcs, goblins and snotlings are all Orcoid creatures... although i think d&d guys would say orcs and goblins were goblinoid creatures...

 

[Calavera]

Orcs, Gobbos and Snotz are greenskins.
And reproduce with fungus somehow..

*tries to forget that he read that members of GW japan tried to change it, saying that orcs reproduced by masturbating*

Yeah... japanese people are weird.

 

[Avicenna]

Originally posted by Calavera
*tries to forget that he read that members of GW japan tried to change it, saying that orcs reproduced by masturbating*

All 4 of them?

 

[Errex]

Geez, Louise...

After that, I really need to floss my brain...