Dammekkos2
New member
I think it\'s \'cos some people still have a very much \"us and them\" mentality, and take it as a personal insult when it is pointed out that certain events are currently attracting a better quality of entries.
Golden Daemons and countries.
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I think it\'s \'cos some people still have a very much \"us and them\" mentality, and take it as a personal insult when it is pointed out that certain events are currently attracting a better quality of entries.
DrEvilmonki
Active member
Maybe its an attitude of not wanting to hurt anyones feelings? Maybe it\'s because some of the people who bring up this subject go over the top in how bad they think the US and AUssie comps are.
I agree with the above; there is a difference IMO. The Europeans seem to have an edge at the moment, probably painters pushing each other in a fairly tight community. And all it will take is for threads like this and more coverage of the European events to push other painters to better and better heights.
I agree with the above; there is a difference IMO. The Europeans seem to have an edge at the moment, probably painters pushing each other in a fairly tight community. And all it will take is for threads like this and more coverage of the European events to push other painters to better and better heights.
freakinacage
Well-known member
good point. looking back, comments do seem to be dwelling on the -ve aspect of how how everyone aren\'t as good as the europeans, rather than looking at how much better they are. (if you can see the difference). we should take there example to push ourselves harder!
go the rest of the world!!
Infidel Castro
New member
Buggery to hurting feelings. Look at the evidence. The French and the Spanish are just top dollar. However, I can show you pieces from 1990 or thereabouts though that would put a smile on the faces of any American and Canadians. In fact I will. Some of the winners from that period over there beat the arses off the UK versions. I\'ll scan the swines and post them forthwith.
Infidel Castro
New member
Balls to it, couldn\'t find the particular White Dwarf, but the webiste doth provide:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=9
Have a look at the Blood Angel Command Group that placed second. It beats the first one for me (which is still a little hottie). I\'m impressed even now after seeing all the great painting around here.. The single mini was a beauty too, as was the runner up:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=1
These works are better than the UK equivalent for singles minis:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=1
And the commands were far better than the UK versions:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=2
The armies for that year were well matched, with Paul Robins taking the sword for his Dwarf army. The American demon winner for that category was almost as good as that though. Compare them both:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=5
http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=3
What I\'m trying to pint out is that things change all the time. Some other folk have said the same but I wanted to show a little bit of what I reckon is hard proof of that.
It was 1992, not 1990 like I first said, but I reckon it shows up well.
So bollocks to all this not wanting to hurt feelings rubbish. It\'s swings and roundabouts.
http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=9
Have a look at the Blood Angel Command Group that placed second. It beats the first one for me (which is still a little hottie). I\'m impressed even now after seeing all the great painting around here.. The single mini was a beauty too, as was the runner up:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=1
These works are better than the UK equivalent for singles minis:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=1
And the commands were far better than the UK versions:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=2
The armies for that year were well matched, with Paul Robins taking the sword for his Dwarf army. The American demon winner for that category was almost as good as that though. Compare them both:
http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=5
http://demonwinner.free.fr/usa/1992/golden_demon_winner.php?categorie=3
What I\'m trying to pint out is that things change all the time. Some other folk have said the same but I wanted to show a little bit of what I reckon is hard proof of that.
It was 1992, not 1990 like I first said, but I reckon it shows up well.
So bollocks to all this not wanting to hurt feelings rubbish. It\'s swings and roundabouts.
darthfoley
Active member
Or it might be that some people don\'t care about \'us and them\' and simply think that those saying \'X wouldn\'t win in GD Y and that\'s a simple fact\' when they aren\'t judges for nor participants at the competitions in question are talking out their rears.
Maybe.
/shrug
There\'s brilliant stuff everywhere; some folks prefer a particular style over another and will always think that style would hands down beat anything else. They\'re often surprised.
Here\'s the rub: it\'s all about having the model that particular judge liked on a particular day. Some of the French contingent are coming to Toronto this year from what I hear; I\'m sure they\'ll do well (and I both wish them luck and look forward to seeing what they bring), but I think it\'s the height of presumption to state they will absolutely walk away with the Slayer simply because they\'re \'European painters\' and that automatically makes them \'better\'. Might they win it? Sure...but it might be they lose, too.
darthfoley
Active member
Wasn\'t there a demon winner from the (what...Pan-Asian?) competition that used Rackham parts a couple years ago? One of the Rackham minotaurs or some such?
As for the topic being whooped to death...yeah, and partly my fault. So I apologize to everyone for carrying on and such...cheers.
As for the topic being whooped to death...yeah, and partly my fault. So I apologize to everyone for carrying on and such...cheers.
Hello guys¡¡¡¡¡
Hello guys¡¡¡¡¡
I answer on this topic a compilation of theses two:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=13327&page=2
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=13258&page=5
Its time I didn’t wrote on UK-US forums, cause my English is not very good, and I use so many time on French on, we cant be in al the parts of the world¡
I hope you’ll understand my words.
As we would visit Canada with cedric-lurkin(brother sinaer) and davi Weaselynk, we have deceided come the week befor the games day. To take part it the contest, of course, but so many more to meet painters, and speak on live on this kind of subject: MINIATURES¡¡¡¡¡
I’ll bring miniatures of qusi qll the Spanish team, mine (elephant, other old winning entries in france …) and few Allan Carrascos miniatures. Cause in photo its very difficult to appreciate a mini.
I have read this topic, and I’ll intent answer to different wors I saw.
I have made for years all the European GD exept Italy, and quasi all the best painter agree to hierarchies the games day level like that:
France>= UK > Spain > Germany> Italia.
But don’t forget that it depend of the year, cause so many strangers take part on a contest¡ In germany a lot of frenchies are coming, In France there is a lot of Spanish, German, Italian and UK painters, In uk to, so…
And this year in france, Cyril A, Thomas Barse, Thomas david, JA Gillois and me didn’t take part. I was a member of the jury as I won the last French slayer. So the level wasn’t so good than last year.
I agree to say that the US GD level is a little bit under the European one. For me the reason is simple, consequences comes after. A lot of the best French painters worked for rackham ( Cyril…) or ilyad games ( Thomas d, ja Gillois, Allan, me) so me paint around 40 hours a week together. To cret our own workshop I’ll live with Allan in Lyon, and in Paris, Cyril, Thomas bares, Louis Lamarre… apint or take a lunch quasi every week to exchange tip, conceals… Its why our level grow a lot . Now I work with Joaquin palacios, Jose Manuel y David Rodriguez in full time in Madrid for Andréa miniatures for 6 months. Imagine in theses conditions how your standards can grow a lot¡ 8 hours everyday, in a so good ambiance¡
For me there is no secret, only with internet your potential is limited. WE HAVE TO PAINT TOGETHER ¡¡¡¡ Imagine learn plays soccer just watching TV, or reading rule book or playing with friends of an intermedial level… So for the technique we learned a lot, and I am sure your best painters are not so far from you on this point. But for me looking the US winning entry, the difference the most important is theory.
If you didn’t learned it, its very difficult to make “intelligence” in your miniature, and no hazard.
A lot of us have studied art. It permits you control theory of light, shadow, colour, colour temperature, theory of Zenithal light…. You cant invent that.
You have to be able to say who is better than you. Then understand why, and intent…
I know how I have grown: working every days with so many good painters and sculpture…
Its 3 years I work in a team 40 hours a week, 10 more at home.
Whan I saw a lot of us winning entries, its clear that quasi-nobody control it.
AND THAT, if you don’t control theory its impossible for you to appreciate the difference between two painter: a painter who control it, and a painter not. I thinks its why a ot of person doesn’t understand decision of jury, or cant appreciate the difference between the level of two games day. This kind of painter will say that two mini have the same level, but not…
And more if you just compare pictures on the net or the white dwarf.
>Spain/UK/France/Italy Slayer Sword after 300+ hours\' work.
I spent 500 hours painting and sculpting my elephant, for example…
>Uk, FR, and SP are the hardest to win at.
In my opinion (yeah, I speak go English hihhi) win a slayer or a trophy in US for an American painter is equal difficult that for e French painter in France. I am sure of that.
I am sure learn a lot of you, as I learned a lot meeting Victoria for 3 days in Germany, or dragon Search, Victor hardy during the UK Games day…
And never forget that miniature is a pleaser, just pleaser, only pleaser... not a competition.
Jeremie-bragon-globe trotter painter…
Subscribe to the NewsLetter of my website in English!
http://bragonart.free.fr/newsletter/NewsLetter.php?Lang=UK
There is not a lot of news cause I am making another one with more fun¡¡¡¡¡
Hello guys¡¡¡¡¡
I answer on this topic a compilation of theses two:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=13327&page=2
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=13258&page=5
Its time I didn’t wrote on UK-US forums, cause my English is not very good, and I use so many time on French on, we cant be in al the parts of the world¡
I hope you’ll understand my words.
As we would visit Canada with cedric-lurkin(brother sinaer) and davi Weaselynk, we have deceided come the week befor the games day. To take part it the contest, of course, but so many more to meet painters, and speak on live on this kind of subject: MINIATURES¡¡¡¡¡
I’ll bring miniatures of qusi qll the Spanish team, mine (elephant, other old winning entries in france …) and few Allan Carrascos miniatures. Cause in photo its very difficult to appreciate a mini.
I have read this topic, and I’ll intent answer to different wors I saw.
I have made for years all the European GD exept Italy, and quasi all the best painter agree to hierarchies the games day level like that:
France>= UK > Spain > Germany> Italia.
But don’t forget that it depend of the year, cause so many strangers take part on a contest¡ In germany a lot of frenchies are coming, In France there is a lot of Spanish, German, Italian and UK painters, In uk to, so…
And this year in france, Cyril A, Thomas Barse, Thomas david, JA Gillois and me didn’t take part. I was a member of the jury as I won the last French slayer. So the level wasn’t so good than last year.
I agree to say that the US GD level is a little bit under the European one. For me the reason is simple, consequences comes after. A lot of the best French painters worked for rackham ( Cyril…) or ilyad games ( Thomas d, ja Gillois, Allan, me) so me paint around 40 hours a week together. To cret our own workshop I’ll live with Allan in Lyon, and in Paris, Cyril, Thomas bares, Louis Lamarre… apint or take a lunch quasi every week to exchange tip, conceals… Its why our level grow a lot . Now I work with Joaquin palacios, Jose Manuel y David Rodriguez in full time in Madrid for Andréa miniatures for 6 months. Imagine in theses conditions how your standards can grow a lot¡ 8 hours everyday, in a so good ambiance¡
For me there is no secret, only with internet your potential is limited. WE HAVE TO PAINT TOGETHER ¡¡¡¡ Imagine learn plays soccer just watching TV, or reading rule book or playing with friends of an intermedial level… So for the technique we learned a lot, and I am sure your best painters are not so far from you on this point. But for me looking the US winning entry, the difference the most important is theory.
If you didn’t learned it, its very difficult to make “intelligence” in your miniature, and no hazard.
A lot of us have studied art. It permits you control theory of light, shadow, colour, colour temperature, theory of Zenithal light…. You cant invent that.
You have to be able to say who is better than you. Then understand why, and intent…
I know how I have grown: working every days with so many good painters and sculpture…
Its 3 years I work in a team 40 hours a week, 10 more at home.
Whan I saw a lot of us winning entries, its clear that quasi-nobody control it.
AND THAT, if you don’t control theory its impossible for you to appreciate the difference between two painter: a painter who control it, and a painter not. I thinks its why a ot of person doesn’t understand decision of jury, or cant appreciate the difference between the level of two games day. This kind of painter will say that two mini have the same level, but not…
And more if you just compare pictures on the net or the white dwarf.
>Spain/UK/France/Italy Slayer Sword after 300+ hours\' work.
I spent 500 hours painting and sculpting my elephant, for example…
>Uk, FR, and SP are the hardest to win at.
In my opinion (yeah, I speak go English hihhi) win a slayer or a trophy in US for an American painter is equal difficult that for e French painter in France. I am sure of that.
I am sure learn a lot of you, as I learned a lot meeting Victoria for 3 days in Germany, or dragon Search, Victor hardy during the UK Games day…
And never forget that miniature is a pleaser, just pleaser, only pleaser... not a competition.
Jeremie-bragon-globe trotter painter…
Subscribe to the NewsLetter of my website in English!
http://bragonart.free.fr/newsletter/NewsLetter.php?Lang=UK
There is not a lot of news cause I am making another one with more fun¡¡¡¡¡
